This Week's Encounters with Legalism

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

? We aren't exactly CNN here; best thing for her would be to read it prolly, anyway. I don't really understand this post, but I guess a lot of y'all are familiar with each other, each other's churches, etc? Who is Brothomas, anyway? About as anon as you can get, from up here anyway. But hey, if you know them, go talk to her? I'm with Bro, and let the dead bury the dead. Parents aren't supposed to vex their kids, either. The fact he cares enough to seek opinions declares his honor to me, and I've sen no names mentioned.

I don't know these people from Adam... names don't have to be mentioned for him to disrespect her position as mother in his life... her nastiness, vileness, even abusiveness does not negate the direction of Scripture to honor her..... to turn the other cheek.... to bless those who curse you.... to pray for those that despitefully use you..... all of those are in our Manual for code of conduct, and those principles stand no matter what the back story is, and no matter if we know the parties personally or not. It's the Word.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I don't know these people from Adam... names don't have to be mentioned for him to disrespect her position as mother in his life... her nastiness, vileness, even abusiveness does not negate the direction of Scripture to honor her..... to turn the other cheek.... to bless those who curse you.... to pray for those that despitefully use you..... all of those are in our Manual for code of conduct, and those principles stand no matter what the back story is, and no matter if we know the parties personally or not. It's the Word.

Well, but trashing her? Where is that? I'm pretty sensitive to that stuff, being a Codependent myself, and certainly would have no prob ripping TV if I detected any unforgiveness, which I am not.

As equally abusive as not recognizing your child has reached adulthood
is expecting your kid to be your parent, but being unwilling to follow their advice. I will say I'm detecting that you just have a good relationship with parents that are not codependent, and so this will not track for you. I envy you this.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I don't know these people from Adam... names don't have to be mentioned for him to disrespect her position as mother in his life... her nastiness, vileness, even abusiveness does not negate the direction of Scripture to honor her..... to turn the other cheek.... to bless those who curse you.... to pray for those that despitefully use you..... all of those are in our Manual for code of conduct, and those principles stand no matter what the back story is, and no matter if we know the parties personally or not. It's the Word.

unless you been in some of the stuff you described i dont think you truely have a grasp on trying to honor and respect someone that doesnt respect you.

expecially when it comes to cases like sexual abuse and molestation
turning the other cheek makes a good sermon but its not that easy in life.

Getting these people out of your life is a positive thing, they can hinder your growth.

You can honor them by praying for them, but you dont have to obey them to honor them.

You may even try to reconcile your differences and the other person doesnt want to. These people are not ideal for your growth.


My brothers step kid and his girl friend have 4 kids, these kids daddy doesnt work doesnt help feed them and drink and smokes. the mother is in and out of jail has left them and went to another state. the 11 year old is forced to be the mother of the other three.

In this case these kids when they get old enough will leave there parents, infact the wasnt a father and a mother to begin with, they was the tool that birthed them. I dont see them having a relationship with their parents when they get older.

Maybe Later the kids can show honor to them and try and present the Gospel to them and pray for them, other than that. I dont know how else you could honor them, certainly obeying them isnt linked to honoring them.

Maybe it could be viewed as them leaving them when they get older is honoring them as the kids have been considered a burden to them.


any way stuff needs to be looked at on a case by case bases. expecially getting some kids of your own to help understand this as well.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by acerrak

unless you been in some of the stuff you described i dont think you truely have a grasp on trying to honor and respect someone that doesnt respect you.

expecially when it comes to cases like sexual abuse and molestation
turning the other cheek makes a good sermon but its not that easy in life.

Getting these people out of your life is a positive thing, they can hinder your growth.

You can honor them by praying for them, but you dont have to obey them to honor them.

You may even try to reconcile your differences and the other person doesnt want to. These people are not ideal for your growth.


My brothers step kid and his girl friend have 4 kids, these kids daddy doesnt work doesnt help feed them and drink and smokes. the mother is in and out of jail has left them and went to another state. the 11 year old is forced to be the mother of the other three.

In this case these kids when they get old enough will leave there parents, infact the wasnt a father and a mother to begin with, they was the tool that birthed them. I dont see them having a relationship with their parents when they get older.

Maybe Later the kids can show honor to them and try and present the Gospel to them and pray for them, other than that. I dont know how else you could honor them, certainly obeying them isnt linked to honoring them.

Maybe it could be viewed as them leaving them when they get older is honoring them as the kids have been considered a burden to them.


any way stuff needs to be looked at on a case by case bases. expecially getting some kids of your own to help understand this as well.

Actually i have experienced those things within my own family... in the abuse area... and I never said that cutting someone out of your life wasn't an option or was disrespectful... so it would be wonderful if you would actually read what I wrote and not put words in my mouth and create straw men arguments.

I stated that she, merely by being his mother is deserved at least enough respect that he doesn't go into a public internet forum and malign and bash her. If he can't have a relationship with her, so be it. But be quiet about it, and don't use negative words to disrespect her... no matter what she's done.

Finally, I never said it was easy... living the way Christ wants us to live is a cross that is heavy sometimes. You have no idea the hurts, the pain, the abuse I've received... even at the hands of family... but the Holy Ghost provides me more power than just to speak in tongues, run the aisles and shout.

The Holy Ghost has the ability to transform our speech, our attitudes, our hurts, our love, our approach to all of mankind. I don't always yield like I should to that power, but when I do... then I'm able to love as Christ loves... and according to I Corinthians 13... it doesn't keep a record of wrongs... whether from a far or right there in a hospital room.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Actually i have experienced those things within my own family... in the abuse area... and I never said that cutting someone out of your life wasn't an option or was disrespectful... so it would be wonderful if you would actually read what I wrote and not put words in my mouth and create straw men arguments.

Ok first i didnt insert words in your mouth, but i dont want to seem harsh and i mean this out of respect.

You need to step outside of your little theological box for a moment bishop, this

and create straw men arguments.

is uncalled for. Period. we are not discussing or debating doctrine. we are talking about imperfect people living in a imperfect world with real issues. (i t was not my intent to make any straw man arguement im plainly stating the issue) simple.

while i apologize for not completly understanding you, my goal was to show that much of what goes on needs to be evaluated,

while i agree with what you said about his mother and the internet, he at the same time is looiking to vent his frustrations, maybe he needs to be admonished positivly as well since we dont exactly know the tensions going on between them. regardless of their relationship.



you made this comment

because of how she's done you.... that is not Jesus at all.

you do realize we are not jesus and we dont live perfect lives. while we are being perfected in Christ and made the rightousness of God through Christ. We want to be Christ like we are not Christ in the since of how he lived a perfect sinless life.

it is impossible for us to do what Jesus did and that is to live a sinless life. many things we do intentionally or unintentionally isnt Christ like, and that is where the power of grace is.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by acerrak

it is impossible for us to do what Jesus did and that is to live a sinless life. many things we do intentionally or unintentionally isnt Christ like, and that is where the power of grace is.

So Christ demands a way of life of us that is impossible to live? I never said the poster should live a sinless life... yet again you taking stretches in the discussion that are out of context of what was said.

However, we are to strive, every moment of every life to live as Christ would have us... and when we see one within the body fall (as we all do) short in their efforts, we are to admonish, encourage, and assist that one in seeing the stumble, so that they may be aware and we all can strive to not stumble over the same thing over, and over, and over.

Your post almost sounds as if we should just say, Jesus wants us to live a certain way, but we'll never be able to do it, so when we don't... we should just say, oh well, nobody is perfect..... and if that is your intimation here, that is absolutely ludicrous of what God expects of us as His body.

We are to emulate Him in every way... I would that you not sin, but if you do sin we have an advocate.... there is a constant striving for walking perfectly in Him... and when we mess up... those that are spiritual (meaning those that see it) are to help that person stumbling to see it (done in love, but truth), and hopefully we all learn from it.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

However, we are to strive, every moment of every life to live as Christ would have us... and when we see one within the body fall (as we all do) short in their efforts, we are to admonish, encourage, and assist that one in seeing the stumble, so that they may be aware and we all can strive to not stumble over the same thing over, and over, and over.

Aren't you doing what you are admonishing tv1a of doing? And doing it publicly on these forums instead of privately?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Aren't you doing what you are admonishing tv1a of doing? And doing it publicly on these forums instead of privately?

not at all... providing admonishment and encouragement of him to walk in the Word regarding his mother instead of letting his flesh have it's way. But I take your insight and agree I could have sent a PM first. Guilty, but not of the same thing... and for that I am in the wrong.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

We are to emulate Him in every way... I would that you not sin, but if you do sin we have an advocate.... there is a constant striving for walking perfectly in Him... and when we mess up... those that are spiritual (meaning those that see it) are to help that person stumbling to see it (done in love, but truth), and hopefully we all learn from it.

striving for perfection is totally different than being perfected in christ. and we wont reach perfection until this happends according to Paul

1 corinthians 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

and when we mess up...

when we willful sin... we have a advocate with the Father

tv1a

Interesting dialogue. More people are interested with the back story than they are with the main story. Background sets the stage for the present story. I'm not hurt. I don't have hard feelings. I'm not upset mom didn't want me to pray for her healing.

its because we are all like shrinks and we want to start at the beginning, but usually its because of the back story that similiar situations happen and when the back story is open many can relate to it more.

I mean there has to be a reason you want to distance yourself, things like that doesnt happen over night.

[tv1a]

The background was used only as comparisons and contrast of those wanting God's touch and those who blew off the opportunity to receive from God. I'm not suggesting God can't use other methods. But when it's obvious God's spirit is manifesting in a mighty way, one would be an idiot to pass that up.