Tazed Church Tambourine Player (L)

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

There are many assumptions, rabbit trails, etc going on here... but we must take the story at face value... and having served on the staff of some larger churches like this one looks like... the crazies and the nuts show up from time to time and will do what ever exercises it takes to get attention... and I believe it is a spirit even sometimes manifesting to just bring confusion and chaos. God isn't the author of confusion.

And the best way to address that spirit isn't always by greasing them down like a pig at the county fair and casting the legion out of them... because that spirit wants attention, and that just feeds into the distraction.

Many times, the best way to deal with it is get it out of the service... and from what I read in the story... they had the church security detail, an off duty sheriff's deputy... which many churches use on their security detail... to escort her out.

She then became beligerant and wouldn't follow the instructions of the law officer. At that point, he is well within his rights to maintain control with whatever force is necessary... and it's appropriate. If she is showing that she will not physically calm down, and will not follow the instructions of the law officer, there is reasonable expectation that she might enter the service again and disrupt it (which is against the law), and maybe even cause harm to someone or herself.

He tased her, not only to control her, but in the end, also helps keeping her from possibly hurting herself since she showed behavior that was sporadic and out of control.

He was totally within his duty and rights, he protected the church, and in the end even probably protected her. And for many of these "crazies" that like to disrupt services, an encounter to this degree is just what it takes for them to open their eyes that something isn't right and then ask for help. You can't force help on someone that doesn't know they need it.

I not only favor tasering her... but also put a restraining order on her to keep her off the campus, unless she will go through some in depth counseling and treatment.

Keep in mind that there are still a few of us who only have dialup at our homes because the big companies do not want to spend the money to bring fast access internet to our little community. That said, we can only go by "face value" of what is written in these articles.

Now that I was able to view this video, I still have concerns that this lady was tazed instead of the ministry and people praying for her first. If there was a controlling demon or a spirit of confusion in this woman, don't you think it would either be cast out or the woman would flee from the Name of Jesus being called over her with anointing oils? Instead you would rather give her to the psychiatric unit of the hospital so your services would not be disrupted?

Your post reminds me of the verses in the Bible about a man in the cave, who nobody could bind or tame saw Jesus afar off and came running to him and worshipped Him. Jesus asked his name, which was Legion, for we are many, it replied. Jesus cast them into the swine which ran into the water and drowned. The people came and saw the one possessed with demons, sane and in his right mind. The people were afraid and besought Jesus to leave.

So this brings up something that I have not thought about much. Why did they ask Jesus to leave?

What an opportunity for the power of God to perform a miracle in this tazered woman's life and for the people who could have witnessed such a miracle to testify it to others about what happened at church this Wednesday evening wasted.

Are we not in the same shape as the people who sought Jesus to leave their coasts?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Keep in mind that there are still a few of us who only have dialup at our homes because the big companies do not want to spend the money to bring fast access internet to our little community. That said, we can only go by "face value" of what is written in these articles.

Now that I was able to view this video, I still have concerns that this lady was tazed instead of the ministry and people praying for her first. If there was a controlling demon or a spirit of confusion in this woman, don't you think it would either be cast out or the woman would flee from the Name of Jesus being called over her with anointing oils? Instead you would rather give her to the psychiatric unit of the hospital so your services would not be disrupted?

Your post reminds me of the verses in the Bible about a man in the cave, who nobody could bind or tame saw Jesus afar off and came running to him and worshipped Him. Jesus asked his name, which was Legion, for we are many, it replied. Jesus cast them into the swine which ran into the water and drowned. The people came and saw the one possessed with demons, sane and in his right mind. The people were afraid and besought Jesus to leave.

So this brings up something that I have not thought about much. Why did they ask Jesus to leave?

What an opportunity for the power of God to perform a miracle in this tazered woman's life and for the people who could have witnessed such a miracle to testify it to others about what happened at church this Wednesday evening wasted.

Are we not in the same shape as the people who sought Jesus to leave their coasts?

To compare this trouble maker to the demoniac is a far stretch... apples and oranges. The demon possessed man did not disrupt the worship service, he came worshipping.... far stretch from what this woman was doing. She was disrupting the service, along with being rebellious to those that asked her to stop.

If she had come up asking for prayer, sure, pray for her. I've been in leadership long enough to know the difference of when you just have a nut case spirit looking for attention (which your suggestion would have just fed into) and those seeking a move of God in their lives.

But the wonderful thing about life, we can all have our opinions of how it should be handled. If I had been the pastor/leadership, would have done the exact same thing based on the face value of the article. And you could do what you suggested if you had the opportunity. I wouldn't fault the church no matter which direction they take.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

To compare this trouble maker to the demoniac is a far stretch... apples and oranges. The demon possessed man did not disrupt the worship service, he came worshipping.... far stretch from what this woman was doing. She was disrupting the service, along with being rebellious to those that asked her to stop.

If she had come up asking for prayer, sure, pray for her. I've been in leadership long enough to know the difference of when you just have a nut case spirit looking for attention (which your suggestion would have just fed into) and those seeking a move of God in their lives.

But the wonderful thing about life, we can all have our opinions of how it should be handled. If I had been the pastor/leadership, would have done the exact same thing based on the face value of the article. And you could do what you suggested if you had the opportunity. I wouldn't fault the church no matter which direction they take.

....um.....ok.

What do I know....just being part of the man-described class of "laity"...and female who should be silent at that.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

To compare this trouble maker to the demoniac is a far stretch... apples and oranges. The demon possessed man did not disrupt the worship service, he came worshipping.... far stretch from what this woman was doing. She was disrupting the service, along with being rebellious to those that asked her to stop.

If she had come up asking for prayer, sure, pray for her. I've been in leadership long enough to know the difference of when you just have a nut case spirit looking for attention (which your suggestion would have just fed into) and those seeking a move of God in their lives.

But the wonderful thing about life, we can all have our opinions of how it should be handled. If I had been the pastor/leadership, would have done the exact same thing based on the face value of the article. And you could do what you suggested if you had the opportunity. I wouldn't fault the church no matter which direction they take.

Do the demon possessed know they are possessed?