Drug Decriminalization

Titus2woman · #1 07-05-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So the gov doesn't want to decrease prisons because it cost so much, prisons have pull to keep them open? When a robbery is reported in my area seems like 90% of suspects are minorities. I don't know of one minority that didn't want to make it or do right that didn't.

I am really not sure what to say to this... although it's easy to say that someone who really wants to make it will and make it sound like fact it is a fallacy.

60 minutes did a show several years back. In it they filmed two college friends who were from nearly identical backgrounds and had similar educations. Both were attractive, the same age, height/weight proportionate, etc. Both were intelligent and articulate. Difference: one black, one white.

They secretly filmed themselves applying for jobs, trying to find housing and shopping. Time after time the black man was told that an apartment was already rented, a position already filled etc. and the white fellow following behind him was offered shelter and employment. More than once the white fellow was offered help when shopping and the black man was ignored or worse yet followed around as if he were going to steal something.

As a person who always believed that 'anyone who wants to can make it' I was horrified... and still am. I am not sure what you consider 'wanting to make it' but I believe that most people, not able to house themselves or feed their families would be inclined to consider crime as an alternative. And many people who have 'made it' have not always been angelic... they just were not caught.

Very grey...

Truthseeker · #2 07-05-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I am really not sure what to say to this... although it's easy to say that someone who really wants to make it will and make it sound like fact it is a fallacy.

60 minutes did a show several years back. In it they filmed two college friends who were from nearly identical backgrounds and had similar educations. Both were attractive, the same age, height/weight proportionate, etc. Both were intelligent and articulate. Difference: one black, one white.

They secretly filmed themselves applying for jobs, trying to find housing and shopping. Time after time the black man was told that an apartment was already rented, a position already filled etc. and the white fellow following behind him was offered shelter and employment. More than once the white fellow was offered help when shopping and the black man was ignored or worse yet followed around as if he were going to steal something.

As a person who always believed that 'anyone who wants to can make it' I was horrified... and still am. I am not sure what you consider 'wanting to make it' but I believe that most people, not able to house themselves or feed their families would be inclined to consider crime as an alternative. And many people who have 'made it' have not always been angelic... they just were not caught.

Very grey...

I did say "I don't know of one" as in my experience. Didn't mean there are no issues. I know about housing discrimination myself, because we are a interacial couple were denied housing. My point is that even with issues every minority I know with character and drive has done well. Many people real issues are lifestyle choices and stronholds of the mind.

I wonder for those who say prison is racism believe we should let a robber off the hook if they are minority? Many use race as cop out for behavoir when many times its there lifestyle that is the main problem.

Aquila · #3 07-09-2012, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I am really not sure what to say to this... although it's easy to say that someone who really wants to make it will and make it sound like fact it is a fallacy.

60 minutes did a show several years back. In it they filmed two college friends who were from nearly identical backgrounds and had similar educations. Both were attractive, the same age, height/weight proportionate, etc. Both were intelligent and articulate. Difference: one black, one white.

They secretly filmed themselves applying for jobs, trying to find housing and shopping. Time after time the black man was told that an apartment was already rented, a position already filled etc. and the white fellow following behind him was offered shelter and employment. More than once the white fellow was offered help when shopping and the black man was ignored or worse yet followed around as if he were going to steal something.

As a person who always believed that 'anyone who wants to can make it' I was horrified... and still am. I am not sure what you consider 'wanting to make it' but I believe that most people, not able to house themselves or feed their families would be inclined to consider crime as an alternative. And many people who have 'made it' have not always been angelic... they just were not caught.

Very grey...

I think I saw that 60 minutes. It was eye opening.

Jermyn Davidson · #4 07-09-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I am really not sure what to say to this... although it's easy to say that someone who really wants to make it will and make it sound like fact it is a fallacy.

60 minutes did a show several years back. In it they filmed two college friends who were from nearly identical backgrounds and had similar educations. Both were attractive, the same age, height/weight proportionate, etc. Both were intelligent and articulate. Difference: one black, one white.

They secretly filmed themselves applying for jobs, trying to find housing and shopping. Time after time the black man was told that an apartment was already rented, a position already filled etc. and the white fellow following behind him was offered shelter and employment. More than once the white fellow was offered help when shopping and the black man was ignored or worse yet followed around as if he were going to steal something.

As a person who always believed that 'anyone who wants to can make it' I was horrified... and still am. I am not sure what you consider 'wanting to make it' but I believe that most people, not able to house themselves or feed their families would be inclined to consider crime as an alternative. And many people who have 'made it' have not always been angelic... they just were not caught.

Very grey...

Everyone knows this stuff isn't real, the affects aren't real and in fact, thei stuff doesn't even happen any more.

It was all staged and we all know it!

(yeah right...)

Truthseeker · #5 07-09-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Everyone knows this stuff isn't real, the affects aren't real and in fact, thei stuff doesn't even happen any more.

It was all staged and we all know it!

(yeah right...)

I know it happens.

Esaias · #6 07-09-2012, 01:47 PM

The FACT is prohibition doesn't work. It didn't in the 30s and it isn't now.

People who want to become intoxicated will do so, regardless of laws or penalties or the war on SOME drugs.

What is needed is REVIVAL in America. Then people will repent of their drug use REGARDLESS of the 'laws'.

And since not EVERYBODY will convert, obviously, some folks will STILL seek to be intoxicated.

Alcohol use is more common, and more deadly and more debilitating, than most (if not all) 'illicit drug' use combined.

And yet God did not enact alcohol Prohibition when He gave His perfect and holy Law to Israel.

It's a problem routed entirely in the spiritual condition of a culture, and is unsolvable by 'congressional legislation'.

Especially when the nation is in the grip of ever deepening apostasy, as we are.