Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

The Forum has defined what Apostolic is many times.

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

There is One God. This one God reveals Himself as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.



Clothing standards are not listed.




Who would not think that this post in it's content is critical about people who do not adhere to the "old standards and ways"? I read it as he is referring to people who do not live those old standards and ways as backslid. And he is angry about it...so this can be thought of as a debate intent? Was anything mentioned about what his family was doing in their lives to be deserving of the label of "backslid"?

Are they doing any or all of the things in Galatian 5?

Perhaps we should establish exactly what the definition of "backslid" is because people have and do use the term way too loosely.

I understood the spirit in which he was talking.

There is a great shaking happening right now. Everything that can be shook, will be shook.

You think I'm gonna flop out because I don't agree with wearing no shorts and loose my salvation over a spirit of rebellion? While wearing shorts won't cost me my salvation, a spirit of rebellion will. And I believe with all my heart that GOD sent me to my Man of God and until I'm released I'm in utter obedience.

I'm hanging on tight and I'll let my Pastor and leaders give an account to God for any non-biblical issues...

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

I understood the spirit in which he was talking.

There is a great shaking happening right now. Everything that can be shook, will be shook.

You think I'm gonna flop out because I don't agree with wearing no shorts and loose my salvation over a spirit of rebellion? While wearing shorts won't cost me my salvation, a spirit of rebellion will. And I believe with all my heart that GOD sent me to my Man of God and until I'm released I'm in utter obedience.

I'm hanging on tight and I'll let my Pastor and leaders give an account to God for any non-biblical issues...

Bro Joe - what would you do if one day your Pastor came to church and announced that he was no longer going to be responsible for setting and policing policy about standards? What if within 5 years the atmosphere of the Church changes, women are wearing bobs and pants, men have beards, and wear shorts. Not only that but the Pastor now believes that salvation is at repentance, and while he still baptizes in Jesus name and believes and talks about people receiving the HG and speaking in tongues, he doesn't preach three steps to salvation any more. Now what? Do you follow your Pastor in obedience now, do you become confused? do you proclaim him on his way to hell and find another church? what would you do?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Bro Joe - what would you do if one day your Pastor came to church and announced that he was no longer going to be responsible for setting and policing policy about standards? What if within 5 years the atmosphere of the Church changes, women are wearing bobs and pants, men have beards, and wear shorts. Not only that but the Pastor now believes that salvation is at repentance, and while he still baptizes in Jesus name and believes and talks about people receiving the HG and speaking in tongues, he doesn't preach three steps to salvation any more. Now what? Do you follow your Pastor in obedience now, do you become confused? do you proclaim him on his way to hell and find another church? what would you do?

i think the church would grow as he would be comming out of legalism..

[scotty]

Originally Posted by acerrak

i think the church would grow as he would be comming out of legalism..

Or because it would be no different from any other church in town.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by scotty

Or because it would be no different from any other church in town.

and that is a bad thing in what way? do you think that apostolics is the only church with dress codes,, o certainly not there is trinitarian pentacostals the exact same way. Fact is you couldnt tell the difference in the church services until they had a baptism.

scotty what a lame response.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by acerrak

and that is a bad thing in what way? do you think that apostolics is the only church with dress codes,, o certainly not there is trinitarian pentacostals the exact same way. Fact is you couldnt tell the difference in the church services until they had a baptism.

scotty what a lame response.

Lame response ? Thanks, it was an honest one. Little early this morning to be swinging the club already, ya think?

Anyway, so the town you live in ONLY has apostolic/pentecostal/ churches? No baptist, JW's, etc etc.? Do you believe every church in your town is annointed ? Preaches the biblical truths ?

I'm not one who believes the UPC or any other org holds the copyright to salvation, but I'm not ignorant enough to believe everyone is saved in their own little religious world regardless of what their beliefs are either.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by scotty

Lame response ? Thanks, it was an honest one. Little early this morning to be swinging the club already, ya think?

Anyway, so the town you live in ONLY has apostolic/pentecostal/ churches? No baptist, JW's, etc etc.? Do you believe every church in your town is annointed ? Preaches the biblical truths ?

I'm not one who believes the UPC or any other org holds the copyright to salvation, but I'm not ignorant enough to believe everyone is saved in their own little religious world regardless of what their beliefs are either.

number one we are talking about standards, and any repsonse to defend any type of legalism is lame.

Personal standards i have no issue, but when standards are preached from the pullpit and it becomes the measure of a persons rightousness, it has to go.

second i belive God will save people out of all different denominations.

oneness, trinitarian, Jw catholic etc,

acts 2:38 message was based around the prophecy of Joel, which Joel stated whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Majority of churches including Jw, baptize,

while i agree no specific denominations holds the copyright of salvation. it isnt up to us to condem people to hell or say they are saved or not saved.

Clearly jesus said you will know them by their fruit.

also i wanna know who does more evangelizing than a jw?


Also why does allowing people to dress themselves instead of a dress code make them like any other church? does your mother still pick your clothes out for you or do you know make your own choice.


Its the same with the church, Modesty is not a code, Holiness is not a define outlook of what one should or should not wear. Holiness is seperation.

while there is nothing wrong with dress, it is the Spirit of God and your attitude that seperates you from this world, Sinners can dress just like any apostolic.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

Or because it would be no different from any other church in town.

Imagine the days that every town had 'a church' and if you were a follower of Christ, you belonged to it... what a concept.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Imagine the days that every town had 'a church' and if you were a follower of Christ, you belonged to it... what a concept.

It would be a utopia for sure, and a much better world to live in.

Now, just define "follower of Christ" and have everyone agree to that definition and we'll be on our way.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

It would be a utopia for sure, and a much better world to live in.

Now, just define "follower of Christ" and have everyone agree to that definition and we'll be on our way.

That is the definition Scotty... Simplicity has replaced the complex and each man is indeed working out his OWN salvation... helped along by a group that loves him like Jesus did.

Your post just made me think of it and gave me a little hope that it once was and one day shall be again.

I pray the day never come (while knowing very well that it might) when the church will see enough adversity from without that we will stop creating our own divisions from within and will unite as a matter of survival. How it would please God if we could do it without being forced.