That Old King James

[Nitehawk013]

I suppose one's wedding must only have worship songs as well? Bride walk down the aisle to "How Great Is Our God" by Chris Tomlin?

I suppose you never play a little "mood music" when the kids aren't home and you want to have cuddle time with the wife since that music is sinful form the gates of hell itself?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I suppose one's wedding must only have worship songs as well? Bride walk down the aisle to "How Great Is Our God" by Chris Tomlin?

I suppose you never play a little "mood music" when the kids aren't home and you want to have cuddle time with the wife since that music is sinful form the gates of hell itself?

Actually, any wedding that I officiate at, or am asked to do the music for knows ahead of time that I won't do anything but Sacred music, and yes, I've been to numerous weddings of Christian's that had nothing but sacred music for the whole service. The last one I attended the bride marched down the aisle to the Hymn, "Great Is Thy Faithfulness". Every song was either a hymn, a worship chorus, etc. Not one secular love song, and it was wonderful... the Holy Ghost was there in that service in a wonderful way. I've been to numerous weddings, across denominational lines, that didn't have any secular music in them at all, and they were wonderful... after all, shouldn't a wedding be a worship service as well????

No, I don't sing Happy Birthday, or Jingle Bells, or We wish you a merry christmas, or any other secular song... and was raised in our BAPTIST home to not do so. I grew up with many, baptist, Church of God, and other kids that they had the same rule in their home as well.

Regarding "mood music", I'm single. But there again, think about what your typing. Your using music for entertainment purposes, and I don't believe it's for that purpose, therefore, I would never have music to set a "mood" anyway.

[Sam]

This saddens me. I was blessed by seeing that young man sing that song. That's why I included the words. There is a great message in that song and a great testimony of how the Word of God can affect us and help us.

I don't know anything about the young man who sang it. I don't know how committed he may be or not be to the Lord. I'll leave that between him and Jesus Christ.

As far as the whole "secular song" thing. I did not participate in that thread and the only comment I have on it is this. In my opinion, the "secular music" thing falls into the category of Romans 14. If you think "secular music" is wrong for you, then don't sing it or play it but don't judge someone who does. And, if you do not think "secular music" is wrong, then enjoy it but don't judge someone who does not listen to it.

This is a quote that I have put on facebook a couple times:
"A lot of our convictions are preferences, and that is all right. But don't impose your preference upon someone and call it holiness."
page 259 of "The Main Thing Is To Keep The Main Thing The Main Thing" by T.F. Tenney, copyright 1993 by Word Aflame Press

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Sam

This saddens me. I was blessed by seeing that young man sing that song. That's why I included the words. There is a great message in that song and a great testimony of how the Word of God can affect us and help us.

I don't know anything about the young man who sang it. I don't know how committed he may be or not be to the Lord. I'll leave that between him and Jesus Christ.

As far as the whole "secular song" thing. I did not participate in that thread and the only comment I have on it is this. In my opinion, the "secular music" thing falls into the category of Romans 14. If you think "secular music" is wrong for you, then don't sing it or play it but don't judge someone who does. And, if you do not think "secular music" is wrong, then enjoy it but don't judge someone who does not listen to it.

This is a quote that I have put on facebook a couple times:
"A lot of our convictions are preferences, and that is all right. But don't impose your preference upon someone and call it holiness."
page 259 of "The Main Thing Is To Keep The Main Thing The Main Thing" by T.F. Tenney, copyright 1993 by Word Aflame Press

With all due respect, I don't put Secular/Sacred Music in the Romans 14 category. I would put length of shirt sleeve... wearing a watch... in that category... but the Scripture is pretty clear in it's teaching on music. Maybe not as clear as baptism, or repentance for sure... but much clearer than the items that would fall in Romans 14 column.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

With all due respect, I don't put Secular/Sacred Music in the Romans 14 category. I would put length of shirt sleeve... wearing a watch... in that category... but the Scripture is pretty clear in it's teaching on music. Maybe not as clear as baptism, or repentance for sure... but much clearer than the items that would fall in Romans 14 column.

sounds like your caught up in your legalism and when people dont come up to your pedastool of self rightousness, you come out with the comment i see their fruit, yea 5 minutes of fruit and you labeled the person. I bet if we got a 5 minute vbideo on your worst day many here could tag the same label on you as you have the kid... just sayin..

sorta reminds me of the pharasee in the synagogue, hey Lord Im glad im not like this Guy, im glad i fast, im glad i only listen to southern gospel music written before 1950's and none of this secular stuff like this tax collector over there.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by acerrak

sounds like your caught up in your legalism and when people dont come up to your pedastool of self rightousness, you come out with the comment i see their fruit, yea 5 minutes of fruit and you labeled the person. I bet if we got a 5 minute vbideo on your worst day many here could tag the same label on you as you have the kid... just sayin..

sorta reminds me of the pharasee in the synagogue, hey Lord Im glad im not like this Guy, im glad i fast, im glad i only listen to southern gospel music written before 1950's and none of this secular stuff like this tax collector over there.

And we see here that you enjoy making assumptions instead of asking questions.... you obviously didn't read the entire thread... not that I'm surprised. I didn't base it off 5 minutes. I based it off much of what I know about Scotty from living here in Nashville (he's here a ton for music stuff), plus the tons of stuff about him in the media.

Yes, he claims to be a Christian... but he is also HEAVILY involved in secular music. I believe, that one cannot be involved in the secular music industry and be right with God. That's just my belief and I stand by it.

Lastly, appreciate the legalism label again... doesnt' bother me really. But you should probably actually use it right. Legalism is when one believes there are things they HAVE TO DO to earn salvation. I do not believe one can ever earn Righteousness.

This issue is about sin. Music was never ever intended by God for any other purpose, according to the examples in Scripture, for entertainment. Music is only to be used in Worship. To me... this is the equivalent of someone that is well known in the secular world trying to get up and make fun of speaking in tongues or shouting.... it's taking the things that are holy and making them common, and defiling them. That's what is done when those from the secular music world try to crossover and do sacred music.

It's the equivalent of Nadab and Abihu's offering of strange fire before the Lord. And we know what happened to them. GOD IS AS CONCERNED WITH THE METHODS AS HE IS THE OUTCOME.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

And we see here that you enjoy making assumptions instead of asking questions.... you obviously didn't read the entire thread... not that I'm surprised. I didn't base it off 5 minutes. I based it off much of what I know about Scotty from living here in Nashville (he's here a ton for music stuff), plus the tons of stuff about him in the media.

Yes, he claims to be a Christian... but he is also HEAVILY involved in secular music. I believe, that one cannot be involved in the secular music industry and be right with God. That's just my belief and I stand by it.

Lastly, appreciate the legalism label again... doesnt' bother me really. But you should probably actually use it right. Legalism is when one believes there are things they HAVE TO DO to earn salvation. I do not believe one can ever earn Righteousness.

This issue is about sin. Music was never ever intended by God for any other purpose, according to the examples in Scripture, for entertainment. Music is only to be used in Worship. To me... this is the equivalent of someone that is well known in the secular world trying to get up and make fun of speaking in tongues or shouting.... it's taking the things that are holy and making them common, and defiling them. That's what is done when those from the secular music world try to crossover and do sacred music.

It's the equivalent of Nadab and Abihu's offering of strange fire before the Lord. And we know what happened to them. GOD IS AS CONCERNED WITH THE METHODS AS HE IS THE OUTCOME.

No i didnt have to read it all I read enough to make a comment, obvious it must have pricked you.

No i do not consider music to be strange fire like nadab and abihu's offering. that is terrible hermenuetics, church of christ use the same thing to try and justify there stance on no musial instruments in the sanctuary.

speaking is no different than singing, AND i know every word that comes out of your mouth isnt praising the Lord.

there is some secular music you could easily put Jesus in even though the words Jesus Lord christ or God are never used.

To me... this is the equivalent of someone that is well known in the secular world trying to get up and make fun of speaking in tongues or shouting....

thats just your personal belief stop trying to force your personal standard on other people.


while i agree someone making fun of tounges is wrong and is on the verge of blasphemous in my eyes, i never ever equate secular music to such a thing.


while sin is sin, what a person singing about isnt necasserily sin, and its just ignorant to think such a thing. whil ethere is music that is sinful cause of the content and nature of the song, not all secular music is like that....