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[AreYouReady?]

It took me a little while to settle on the same thing Navygoat. I consider myself Oneness, but I also recognize that "trinitarians" do not believe in three "separate" Gods. They believe that the three are one.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is One. I think "trinitarians" believe that too.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

It took me a little while to settle on the same thing Navygoat. I consider myself Oneness, but I also recognize that "trinitarians" do not believe in three "separate" Gods. They believe that the three are one.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is One. I think "trinitarians" believe that too.

Got this off wiki and it pretty much sums up trinitarians

"The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons (Greek: ὑποστάσεις):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial"

I, as a oneness apostolic pentecostal, do not believe in three co-equal, co-eternal beings. It's not even supported in Scripture.

One God, His name is Jesus Christ.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Got this off wiki and it pretty much sums up trinitarians

"The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons (Greek: ὑποστάσεις):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial"

I, as a oneness apostolic pentecostal, do not believe in three co-equal, co-eternal beings. It's not even supported in Scripture.

One God, His name is Jesus Christ.

Sorry Joe, but Wiki is not a reliable source. I do not think that most people think of God in the terms of being three separate and distinct persons. Not even with the same definition in their own declarations of faith do I think most people believe that.

I do however, think that if any of the leadership who say that they do not believe in three Gods have any guts, they would ditch that definition and redefine what they think God is.

I think a lot of man's theology is deliberate to confuse people.

God is a Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a Spirit and Jesus is incarnate and I don't know any "trinitarian" who will dispute that.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Sorry Joe, but Wiki is not a reliable source. I do not think that most people think of God in the terms of being three separate and distinct persons. Not even with the same definition in their own declarations of faith do I think most people believe that.

I do however, think that if any of the leadership who say that they do not believe in three Gods have any guts, they would ditch that definition and redefine what they think God is.

I think a lot of man's theology is deliberate to confuse people.

God is a Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a Spirit and Jesus is incarnate and I don't know any "trinitarian" who will dispute that.

But almost all Trinitarians... especially the big Trinitarian Pentecostal organizations will use the word "PERSONS" in their Declaration or Articles of Faith. Though most of the laity would accept a Oneness definition of God, it's because the Godhead isn't taught in Trinitarian churches... and I know.

Furthermore, I have yet to know one Trinitarian that has ever believed 3 God's.

The issue all comes downt to 3 Persons.... and how you interpret persons in light of the original intent of that word, and it's modern day interpretation.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

But almost all Trinitarians... especially the big Trinitarian Pentecostal organizations will use the word "PERSONS" in their Declaration or Articles of Faith. Though most of the laity would accept a Oneness definition of God, it's because the Godhead isn't taught in Trinitarian churches... and I know.

Furthermore, I have yet to know one Trinitarian that has ever believed 3 God's.

The issue all comes downt to 3 Persons.... and how you interpret persons in light of the original intent of that word, and it's modern day interpretation.

Brother Robbins, you make the same point I did, or at least I am trying to make. I am wondering why much of the leadership does not make an issue of their Article of Faith that contains the words three separate and distinct "PERSONS"? Especially if they do not believe it themselves?

Is it an "obey your pastor" type thing with them? They do not believe in three gods...they read the same scripture that God is a Spirit, Jesus is incarnate and we know the Holy Ghost is just that...Holy Spirit. Why don't they make it an issue to be straightened out?

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Sorry Joe, but Wiki is not a reliable source. I do not think that most people think of God in the terms of being three separate and distinct persons. Not even with the same definition in their own declarations of faith do I think most people believe that.

Umm..trinitarians believe in three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one god. That's undisputable. I was using wiki to formulate the words.

I do however, think that if any of the leadership who say that they do not believe in three Gods have any guts, they would ditch that definition and redefine what they think God is.

I read this statement back a few times. Based upon this statement, you think that if leadership does not believe in three gods, then they don't have any guts?

I think a lot of man's theology is deliberate to confuse people.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Eph6:12

God is a Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a Spirit and Jesus is incarnate and I don't know any "trinitarian" who will dispute that.

I know plenty, lol.

I would agree that the average laymember of a trinitarian church probably would not be able to expound on the godhead.

Just so you know. There is a difference between a trinitarian church and a oneness apostolic church.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Just so you know. There is a difference between a trinitarian church and a oneness apostolic church.

Yes there is!

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Umm..trinitarians believe in three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one god. That's undisputable. I was using wiki to formulate the words.

No. That is just their Articles of Faith Statement. Many people believe in One God.

Originally Posted by BroJoe

I read this statement back a few times. Based upon this statement, you think that if leadership does not believe in three gods, then they don't have any guts?

How did you get that from my statement? I said: I do however, think that if any of the leadership who say that they do not believe in three Gods have any guts, they would ditch that definition and redefine what they think God is.



Gee...how can you twist words so well? I said that if the leadership had any guts, especially if they believe in One God and not three..then they should try to get their articles of faith statement changed. uh,....redefine ?


I do however, think that if any of the leadership who say that they do not believe in three Gods have any guts, they would ditch that definition and redefine what they think God is.

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Just so you know. There is a difference between a trinitarian church and a oneness apostolic church.

And just so you know, I never said that they were one and the same. I said that the Holy Spirit can and does fall in trinitarian churches. Apostolic oneness are not exclusive elitists in that department. God is no respecter of persons and takes no orders from anybody.