Do you AGREE?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Some would even argue it's the catalyst for most... I'm not sure if it's the reason... but sure is one of the main things packed away in all their baggage they take with them.

Unless you've became bitter and left a church, how would you even know what is in the minds of people who leave?

Or is it just a handy excuse a preacher might use to explain why somebody leaves?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Unless you've became bitter and left a church, how would you even know what is in the minds of people who leave?

How do you know I haven't???? How do you also know what has transpired in hundreds of hours of pastoral and ministerial counseling over the years? How do you know what has been shared with me by folks of churches I've ministered in since I preach in both very, very conservative churches as well as churches that many would consider charismatic? How do you know that I haven't been bitter and left a church and labeled charismatic?

You don't... so don't go assuming things until you've asked some questions and really know.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

How do you know I haven't????

I don't. So would you say that all people leave a church out of bitterness because you may have done so?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I don't. So would you say that all people leave a church out of bitterness because you may have done so?

You really should work on your reading comprehension... and quit assuming things.... you're trying to make it sound as if I used some broad brush and said that everyone that leaves is bitter... I didn't. So, though it does seem to be one of your favorite past times to sit and twist the words of others... back off making my words say anything other than they did. Unless you can discuss items based on what someone actually posts.... your attempt to start an argument so you can bash yet another conservative preacher is an effort in futility.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

You really should work on your reading comprehension... and quit assuming things.... you're trying to make it sound as if I used some broad brush and said that everyone that leaves is bitter... I didn't. So, though it does seem to be one of your favorite past times to sit and twist the words of others... back off making my words say anything other than they did. Unless you can discuss items based on what someone actually posts.... your attempt to start an argument so you can bash yet another conservative preacher is an effort in futility.

You sound like the bitter person....and you say this same thing to almost everybody who disagrees with you.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

You sound like the bitter person....and you say this same thing to almost everybody who disagrees with you.

You know why? Cause out of the 7 forums I am a member of, this one is notorious for people reading more into a post than what the person says. Many posters in this forum, which you are majorly one of, think because someone sounds a lot like, and sees things a lot like some other folks in your past, that you can take all their vileness, nastiness, issues, bad history, negative experiences, and characteristics.... and apply them to me as well.

You think because there are similarities, you can take your broad brush and paint it all over me, when I didn't say or do what they did. I have absolutely no bitterness... but I'm not going to be all nicety nice, play patty cake with someone who will be as so disrespectful to even read what I actually post... but rather just try to pounce on me with their snarky, poisonous, vitriole.

I've been accused of being too black and white and too plain about some things... but you know what? many of you that have such negative connotations and associations from your past because someone that was conservative Oneness did you wrong... maybe even quite a few of them did you wrong... you believe you can put us all in the same box... when I've never pastored you, never preached to you, and never had a relationship with you. That is the worst of all legalism right there... because someone fits part of the characteristics and has some similarities, their guilty of someone else's crimes.

The very tolerance of which you folks who have been "free'd" from that bondage seem to want from the more conservative is a luxury your not even willing to at first offer. Seems to me that the conservative Oneness churches of which you bemoan and begrudge aren't holding a monopoly on hypocrisy.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

You know why? Cause out of the 7 forums I am a member of, this one is notorious for people reading more into a post than what the person says. Many posters in this forum, which you are majorly one of, think because someone sounds a lot like, and sees things a lot like some other folks in your past, that you can take all their vileness, nastiness, issues, bad history, negative experiences, and characteristics.... and apply them to me as well.

You think because there are similarities, you can take your broad brush and paint it all over me, when I didn't say or do what they did. I have absolutely no bitterness... but I'm not going to be all nicety nice, play patty cake with someone who will be as so disrespectful to even read what I actually post... but rather just try to pounce on me with their snarky, poisonous, vitriole.

I've been accused of being too black and white and too plain about some things... but you know what? many of you that have such negative connotations and associations from your past because someone that was conservative Oneness did you wrong... maybe even quite a few of them did you wrong... you believe you can put us all in the same box... when I've never pastored you, never preached to you, and never had a relationship with you. That is the worst of all legalism right there... because someone fits part of the characteristics and has some similarities, their guilty of someone else's crimes.

The very tolerance of which you folks who have been "free'd" from that bondage seem to want from the more conservative is a luxury your not even willing to at first offer. Seems to me that the conservative Oneness churches of which you bemoan and begrudge aren't holding a monopoly on hypocrisy.

WOW! Such vitriol coming from someone who claims to receive it from others. Does that make you feel better?

How did you take my question to you so personally?

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Some would even argue it's the catalyst for most... I'm not sure if it's the reason... but sure is one of the main things packed away in all their baggage they take with them.

The topic of this thread is bitterness. I would think that you did 'broad brush' by implying that bitterness is one of the main things or reasons packed away in all their baggage they take with them. You posted it. Now you are denying that you broad brushed people that leave? And now you want to project your disrespect onto me?

I'd say you are the one who has the problem man.

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Unless you've became bitter and left a church, how would you even know what is in the minds of people who leave?

Or is it just a handy excuse a preacher might use to explain why somebody leaves?

What if I reword my question to you to be ...Unless one becomes bitter and left a church, how would one even know what is in the minds of people who leave?

Perhaps when replying to your posts, one should totally disengage themselves from having any direct post referring to you at all? Would that suit you?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I've been accused of being too black and white and too plain about some things...

You know I have a friend that is of mixed racial heritage and he gets defensive too when I try to tell him that fried okra is not that healthy in large quantities.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

How do you know I haven't???? How do you also know what has transpired in hundreds of hours of pastoral and ministerial counseling over the years? How do you know what has been shared with me by folks of churches I've ministered in since I preach in both very, very conservative churches as well as churches that many would consider charismatic? How do you know that I haven't been bitter and left a church and labeled charismatic?

You don't... so don't go assuming things until you've asked some questions and really know.

Ok.

How do you know that people just didn't agree with your 'pastoral and ministerial counseling' and left and you decided they became bitter and left?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Ok.

How do you know that people just didn't agree with your 'pastoral and ministerial counseling' and left and you decided they became bitter and left?

wow, you really can't read can you?

Pastor and ministerial counseling isn't me telling them to do something... come on, surely your smarter than that. These are situations where they have left other places of ministry... I meet them after the fact, or maybe they came to my church after the fact... and they are hurt... very hurt. They desire to sit down and talk about it. It's me listening, not advising or trying to set them straight... it's me listening.... them telling me their story that has nothing to do with me.

Would be nice if you would just read the actual words posted and not put something in between the lines or assumes it says something more than it does at face value.