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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Give me one group older than the 20th Century who believed both of this things, we can start with just one and see how connected these two doctrines are to the past.
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Excuse me, but as I said, it does not matter if some notable groups taught it or not. The Bible clearly teaches them, and God has preserved His Word for all that time. You want to look to man for validation of a doctrine, to see if a man taught it. Look to scripture and see what it says instead. Popularity does not make something biblical. Now, can we discuss the biblical doctrine, or is your focus on man?