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Old 10-23-2012, 12:06 PM
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I am a "3 stepper" who believes strongly in standards of Holiness...however I do feel that we can change up our way of doing things without compromising our principles. I actually feel that especially in urban settings that there needs to be an openness to change and relevancy....again as long as core principles are not abandoned in doing so.

....but tattoos???? seriously???


(I sorta figure he got them before he came to the Lord....seeing his background was that of a cocaine addict)


I would have recommended he cover them up for the interview....because now he is probably going to be associated with kooks like Todd Bentley.
Why would he cover them up? While I don't like tattoos I don't know why someone would hide them if they have them unless they are profane. If you are around him you would never confuse him with any charismatic nut. He is not like that at all.

If the tattoo bothers you I might as well go ahead and tell you that our female praise and worship singers wear pants / jeans, and virtually nobody dresses up for church. In the winter I sometimes wear a sports jacket and I saw one guy Sunday with one on.

As far as the pastor's background goes he was raised in church until he was 11 years old then his family did not attend church. When he came to the Lord he was in his 20's and as you stated had been a cocaine addict, etc and was really in bad shape health wise.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 10-23-2012, 12:12 PM
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Re: Non Traditional Church Pastord By Ex UPCer

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Why would he cover them up? While I don't like tattoos I don't know why someone would hide them if they have them unless they are profane. If you are around him you would never confuse him with any charismatic nut. He is not like that at all.

If the tattoo bothers you I might as well go ahead and tell you that our female praise and worship singers wear pants / jeans, and virtually nobody dresses up for church. In the winter I sometimes wear a sports jacket and I saw one guy Sunday with one on.

As far as the pastor's background goes he was raised in church until he was 11 years old then his family did not attend church. When he came to the Lord he was in his 20's and as you stated had been a cocaine addict, etc and was really in bad shape health wise.
I love Pastors with a story! Not just someone raised in the Church. I have a stinky background before Christ and it was too many time I heard I would not know anything about that Bruther Mike I was rasied in the church.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:27 PM
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I love Pastors with a story! Not just someone raised in the Church. I have a stinky background before Christ and it was too many time I heard I would not know anything about that Bruther Mike I was rasied in the church.
I think it helps with the kind of ministry this church has because it is geared towards young people and people who are down and out and may have a lot of issues. The pastor can relate to addictions, etc.

The cool thing also is that he is educated and well spoken so can also relate to other people as well. We are seeing our church become more balanced as a lot of young families are now attending along with the college aged.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:54 PM
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Re: Non Traditional Church Pastord By Ex UPCer

im a water/spirit holiness guy and I like it!
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:55 PM
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The real question CCWON is does this guy yell when he preaches?????
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:13 PM
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I like it... Of course I'm kinda crude and have tattoos
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:15 PM
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The holy wheeze is more pronounced in preachers who weigh over 400 pounds as is holy sweating.
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Maybe then. Do that now and I'll drown you in the baptistery.
Just do it in Jesus Name and you should be Ok.
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