!!!!!!!Colin Powell Endorses OBAMA !!!!!!!!

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yep... this one drank the coolaid.

Here's the deal... Saddam was a Sunni Socialist dictator, largely secular. Women even served in government positions and as court justices in Saddam's Iraq. As of right now, women are increasingly not permitted to hold any of the positions they did previously. There is even a growing movement within Iraqi politics to deny women education because of the number of religious extremists that want an "Islamic Iraq". In a part of the world where the population is largely moved by religious extremism... do you want Democracy??? Democracy is the WORST thing you could give them.

Iraq will be a failed Islamic fundamentalist state in 15 years or less.

Aquila, anyone who disagrees with you certainly has to be drinking cyanide laced kool aid. There's no other explanation. The superiority of your intelligence is apparent to anyone with half a brain.

What part of the history that I shared is inaccurate?

Are you willing to go on record to say that Iraq was better off with Hussein in power?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Aquila, anyone who disagrees with you certainly has to be drinking cyanide laced kool aid. There's no other explanation. The superiority of your intelligence is apparent to anyone with half a brain.

What part of the history that I shared is inaccurate?

Are you willing to go on record to say that Iraq was better off with Hussein in power?

What I'm trying to tell you is that Iraq will be a failed Islamic fundamentalist state in 15 years or less. We can't go around invading countries to spread OUR political values. Don't you fascist statists understand this??? The Saddam's government was failing. It would have fallen. We'd probably see some form of dictator rise to replace him... perhaps secular... perhaps Islamic... BUT we can work with a dictator in that region. The teaming masses of violence, riots, and Islamic radicalism will prove impossible to work with.

We'll revisit this at the end of the text Presidential term. We'll see if Iraq is a shining city on a hill, a wonderful example of Western Democracy importated to the Middle East... or a failed Islamic state. Time WILL prove me right. And the sad thing is... you know it but you won't admit it.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What I'm trying to tell you is that Iraq will be a failed Islamic fundamentalist state in 15 years or less. We can't go around invading countries to spread OUR political values. Don't you fascist statists understand this??? The Saddam's government was failing. It would have fallen. We'd probably see some form of dictator rise to replace him... perhaps secular... perhaps Islamic... BUT we can work with a dictator in that region. The teaming masses of violence, riots, and Islamic radicalism will prove impossible to work with.

We'll revisit this at the end of the text Presidential term. We'll see if Iraq is a shining city on a hill, a wonderful example of Western Democracy importated to the Middle East... or a failed Islamic state. Time WILL prove me right. And the sad thing is... you know it but you won't admit it.

Turkey is a shining example that a countryncan be primarily Islamic and remain secular and be a functioning democracy. Time may prove you right about Iraq not being able to be a functioning democracy but we certainly gave Iraq a better shot at it than had we let the Saddam regime to continue down it's path of being a bloody and ruthless dictatorship. And then it would've turned into a civil war with retribution and more blood letting with many more innocent victims. I contend Iraq is far better off with America rescuing them from Saddam and giving them a shot at real freedom than a bloody coup. The mistake Obama made was not being able to negotiate leaving behind a stabilizing force of 10,000-15,000 troops like we did in South Korea and do to this day.

[Walks_in_islam]

They will not.

The concept of an allied Iraq/Iranian Shia state is terrifying to their neighbors however we have opened the door to allow that to happen.

The government was failing because they were a minority government ruling a majority that holds different beliefs and has a different agenda. We have replace a secular state with what will be and must become a fundamentalist one, as we did with the Shah.

Every life spent to do this was a wasted one. Colin Powell is a statesman and a hero and must have recognized this. We have done this in Egypt, are allowing it in Syria, and are in the process of losing Bahrain leaving one ally (Saudi) and another (Isreal) at the mercy of something that none of us have the concept of understanding.

Originally Posted by Aquila

What I'm trying to tell you is that Iraq will be a failed Islamic fundamentalist state in 15 years or less. We can't go around invading countries to spread OUR political values. Don't you fascist statists understand this??? The Saddam's government was failing. It would have fallen. We'd probably see some form of dictator rise to replace him... perhaps secular... perhaps Islamic... BUT we can work with a dictator in that region. The teaming masses of violence, riots, and Islamic radicalism will prove impossible to work with.

We'll revisit this at the end of the text Presidential term. We'll see if Iraq is a shining city on a hill, a wonderful example of Western Democracy importated to the Middle East... or a failed Islamic state. Time WILL prove me right. And the sad thing is... you know it but you won't admit it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

They will not.

The concept of an allied Iraq/Iranian Shia state is terrifying to their neighbors however we have opened the door to allow that to happen.

The government was failing because they were a minority government ruling a majority that holds different beliefs and has a different agenda. We have replace a secular state with what will be and must become a fundamentalist one, as we did with the Shah.

Every life spent to do this was a wasted one. Colin Powell is a statesman and a hero and must have recognized this. We have done this in Egypt, are allowing it in Syria, and are in the process of losing Bahrain leaving one ally (Saudi) and another (Isreal) at the mercy of something that none of us have the concept of understanding.

They don't get it and cannot get it. They're political idiologues.

[Walks_in_islam]

They need to get it.

All it would take for a war like you won't believe between Saudi/600,000,000 Asian Muslims on one side and 200,000,000 shia muslims on the other will be the appearance or identification of the shia's mysterious "12th Imam".

Originally Posted by Aquila

They don't get it and cannot get it. They're political idiologues.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What I'm trying to tell you is that Iraq will be a failed Islamic fundamentalist state in 15 years or less. We can't go around invading countries to spread OUR political values. Don't you fascist statists understand this??? The Saddam's government was failing. It would have fallen. We'd probably see some form of dictator rise to replace him... perhaps secular... perhaps Islamic... BUT we can work with a dictator in that region. The teaming masses of violence, riots, and Islamic radicalism will prove impossible to work with.

We'll revisit this at the end of the text Presidential term. We'll see if Iraq is a shining city on a hill, a wonderful example of Western Democracy importated to the Middle East... or a failed Islamic state. Time WILL prove me right. And the sad thing is... you know it but you won't admit it.

Aquila do you think it would work any better in Egypt or Libya?