I Joined the UPC

[Jay]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Where are they going?

They are moving toward the open wearing of more ostentatious jewelry, cutting of women's hair, women wearing pants, etc. This is why his dream comes as no surprise to me. For the last several years, they have been interested in having ecumenical discussions with other churches. It is one thing when they were speaking with the PAW, ALJC, and other Oneness orgs. However, they have also started engaging in talks with the AOG, the Church of the Nazarene, and others.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jay

They are moving toward the open wearing of more ostentatious jewelry, cutting of women's hair, women wearing pants, etc. This is why his dream comes as no surprise to me. For the last several years, they have been interested in having ecumenical discussions with other churches. It is one thing when they were speaking with the PAW, ALJC, and other Oneness orgs. However, they have also started engaging in talks with the AOG, the Church of the Nazarene, and others.

I personally wish the split over the Godhead had not happened almost 100 years ago and that the OP's were all still preaching justification/salvation/regeneration at faith/repentance followed by water baptism ("formula" left up to local pastor and congregation) and the Holy Ghost as an enduement of power for those who are saved.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Sam

I personally wish the split over the Godhead had not happened almost 100 years ago and that the OP's were all still preaching justification/salvation/regeneration at faith/repentance followed by water baptism ("formula" left up to local pastor and congregation) and the Holy Ghost as an enduement of power for those who are saved.

I believe that the split was inevitable. You can not have two such doctrines battling for supremacy in an organization. The very bedrock of Christological understanding was being shaken. Further, the 'traditional' mode of baptism was being altered, and that had implications for the wider church world in general, and Protestantism in particular. If baptism in Jesus' name was the only legitimate mode, that meant that all of their ancestors could be in lost. This made it easier to reject the new doctrines. The 'Light Doctrine' was an attempt to cover this base without compromising newly revealed truth. This of course satisfied neither the traditionalists, nor those who strongly embraced the new doctrines.

This made a split inevitable, if undesirable. The fact of the matter is that the Assemblies of God would be the largest Oneness organization today if the split had not occurred. That was how rapid the spread of the doctrine was. Had they waited another five years to oppose the Oneness doctrine, it would have been to late, as the major figures in the AOG would have been supporting it.

[returnman]

Originally Posted by Jay

I believe that the split was inevitable. You can not have two such doctrines battling for supremacy in an organization. The very bedrock of Christological understanding was being shaken. Further, the 'traditional' mode of baptism was being altered, and that had implications for the wider church world in general, and Protestantism in particular. If baptism in Jesus' name was the only legitimate mode, that meant that all of their ancestors could be in lost. This made it easier to reject the new doctrines. The 'Light Doctrine' was an attempt to cover this base without compromising newly revealed truth. This of course satisfied neither the traditionalists, nor those who strongly embraced the new doctrines.

This made a split inevitable, if undesirable. The fact of the matter is that the Assemblies of God would be the largest Oneness organization today if the split had not occurred. That was how rapid the spread of the doctrine was. Had they waited another five years to oppose the Oneness doctrine, it would have been to late, as the major figures in the AOG would have been supporting it.

This made a split inevitable, if undesirable. The fact of the matter is that the Assemblies of God would be the largest Oneness organization today if the split had not occurred. That was how rapid the spread of the doctrine was. Had they waited another five years to oppose the Oneness doctrine, it would have been to late, as the major figures in the AOG would have been supporting it.

I seriously doubt this. Sounds like something out of UG school.

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by returnman

This made a split inevitable, if undesirable. The fact of the matter is that the Assemblies of God would be the largest Oneness organization today if the split had not occurred. That was how rapid the spread of the doctrine was. Had they waited another five years to oppose the Oneness doctrine, it would have been to late, as the major figures in the AOG would have been supporting it.

I seriously doubt this. Sounds like something out of UG school.

I'm not sure I agree with it either.

[returnman]

Originally Posted by Farfel

I'm not sure I agree with it either.

I think it is based on EN Bell. AOG leader was baptized in Jesus name but stayed with the AOG if my memory is right. Doesn't equate to the claim.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by returnman

I seriously doubt this. Sounds like something out of UG school.

You seriously doubt what? that the split was inevitable?

[returnman]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

You seriously doubt what? that the split was inevitable?

That the AOG was going to become OP without the split? That is mere supposition.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Jay

They are moving toward the open wearing of more ostentatious jewelry, cutting of women's hair, women wearing pants, etc. This is why his dream comes as no surprise to me. For the last several years, they have been interested in having ecumenical discussions with other churches. It is one thing when they were speaking with the PAW, ALJC, and other Oneness orgs. However, they have also started engaging in talks with the AOG, the Church of the Nazarene, and others.

And I'm assuming you feel this is a bad thing?