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Old 11-28-2012, 10:11 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

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Pastor Keith, do you think that the way the organized church system is set up with one pastor over a congregation of say...800 members or even 300 members contributes to the isolation of the pastors?

That is a lot of stress put upon one man and his family.
I think a lot of people believe that a team of elders should lead a church, that most likely would solve some of this issue. But in the culture that I lead I don't know how to make that work, and I have yet to see a real healthy model up close, I have read about that model, but I haven't seen one up close.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:04 PM
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I think a lot of people believe that a team of elders should lead a church, that most likely would solve some of this issue. But in the culture that I lead I don't know how to make that work, and I have yet to see a real healthy model up close, I have read about that model, but I haven't seen one up close.
I believe it would work as well as a two headed donkey.
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I believe it would work as well as a two headed donkey.
Funny, the Presbyterian model of church government has been around for centuries. They don't seem to have had too many two-headed donkey issues.
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Funny, the Presbyterian model of church government has been around for centuries. They don't seem to have had too many two-headed donkey issues.
Under their model churches are not autonomous and must answer to one of the layers of elders above the local elders. It really ends up just being more bureaucracy. You may not have one man controlling things but you still have powerful groups, sometimes with agendas, wielding power.

The Presbtyerian model is not one of plural leaders as some on AFF advocate. Where they essentially want multiple pastors all equal in power and decision making. That is the model I say is like a two headed donkey.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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