A thought on tithing

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Open and shut case.

Folks who resist generosity will fight this however. I believe it is extreme to say people go to hell for not tithing, I believe it's extreme to say it's not a NT principle. Those that argue hard against it I guarantee you aren't guilty of giving 10% or more away to any cause. The OT was about the law. The NT os about the heart. Where a man's treasure is there his heart will be. Arguing that we are all ministers (which I agree with) means that the tithe should not pay the pastor and staff and other employees is ridiculous.

Again there abuses for sure, but it doesn't negate the practice.

I have tithed faithfully since I got into church and was taught to do so. I do to this day, even though I think it is a terrible doctrine, because I understand the church needs money to pay the bills and that if I want a full time Pastor it is my responsibility to help pay for him to live. So you are incorrect in your assertion. I argue very hard against the lie of tithing and yet I always give more than 10% away to church and those I know who are in need.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I have tithed faithfully since I got into church and was taught to do so. I do to this day, even though I think it is a terrible doctrine, because I understand the church needs money to pay the bills and that if I want a full time Pastor it is my responsibility to help pay for him to live. So you are incorrect in your assertion. I argue very hard against the lie of tithing and yet I always give more than 10% away to church and those I know who are in need.

No, the real church doesn't need your, or my, money to pay it's bills. Only the Romanist system with it's building-based system would need money to pay it's bills because it's a man made, building-based, 'pay-me-your-tithes' religious system with all the wordly trappings which come with a wordly system. The real church allows it's members to freely minister as they're called to minister in preaching, teaching and helps, to name a few. Only the Romanist system would promote the idea of a hireling paid to perform duties and responsibilities given to the whole church and place debt upon the people to support such an ungodly system.

The Romanist system has twisted the church into the 'church' and sadly most Christians follow this 'church' Romanist system, shirking their duties and callings, hiring others to do what they should be doing themselves.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by seekerman

No, the real church doesn't need your, or my, money to pay it's bills. Only the Romanist system with it's building-based system would need money to pay it's bills because it's a man made, building-based, 'pay-me-your-tithes' religious system with all the wordly trappings which come with a wordly system. The real church allows it's members to freely minister as they're called to minister in preaching, teaching and helps, to name a few. Only the Romanist system would promote the idea of a hireling paid to perform duties and responsibilities given to the whole church and place debt upon the people to support such an ungodly system.

The Romanist system has twisted the church into the 'church' and sadly most Christians follow this 'church' Romanist system, shirking their duties and callings, hiring others to do what they should be doing themselves.

Freely teach and preach without any accountability I suppose to church leadership? Do you believe in church leadership? Do you believe in submission to a spiritual leader?

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Freely teach and preach without any accountability I suppose to church leadership? Do you believe in church leadership? Do you believe in submission to a spiritual leader?

Church leadership is necessary. I would ask you what should be a simple question. Without a parade of OT verses referencing either the failed Levitical priesthood or such, can you show me the NT scriptures that teach or set up this "submission" to a single spiritual leader in the NT church? Where is this modern model of church leadership outlined in the scriptures clearly?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Church leadership is necessary. I would ask you what should be a simple question. Without a parade of OT verses referencing either the failed Levitical priesthood or such, can you show me the NT scriptures that teach or set up this "submission" to a single spiritual leader in the NT church? Where is this modern model of church leadership outlined in the scriptures clearly?

I said accountability to church leadership, not "submission to a sole leader". There was certainly leadership in the NT church and accountability to Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers, Bishops, Deacons, etc.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I said accountability to church leadership, not "submission to a sole leader". There was certainly leadership in the NT church and accountability to Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers, Bishops, Deacons, etc.

True.