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Old 12-12-2012, 12:34 PM
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Re: Right to work law?

Someone said that they had a right to be free from "forced unionism". Amen, it's called... apply at non-union companies.

And if a company is doing well, workers are paid well with great benefits, it's union... and you want a job there... MAYBE you should be a part of that union. Duh!!!

Why undermine the union in a company that offers the wages, environment, and benefits that you'd like to work for???

Ohhh... I get it... undermine the union... and then maybe the management can bring wages down and cut benefits (including you) in the next contract negotiations so that everyone is as down and out as you were before you got the job. lol

Makes little sense to me.

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Old 12-12-2012, 02:45 PM
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Re: Right to work law?

Or force people to pay dues, and allow the unions to ruin companies with over the top contracts. Union memberships are down from 20% of America's work force to 12%. unions ruined Detroit and many other industries. Hostess is just recent example. Unions are quasi-Marxist movements that line the leaders and politicians pockets. My wife is a flight attendant and refuses to join the union. She said they've never done a thing for her but take a chunck out of the paycheck.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:35 PM
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Unions have both good points and bad points. The workers win when the union actually delivers a fair deal to them.

But corporations are fighting back now by closing down and going to right to work states...or worse...overseas.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:17 AM
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Re: Right to work law?

Unions have done a lot of good for the American worker in the past.

The problem with using the law to weaken Unions is that rights and benefits earned and protected by Union members will eventually wane-- creating a situation where Unions would be unable to help workers because of company policies or even the law.


American companies who close down their operations in America to operate in other countries show that their "heart" is not for the people that helped to make them strong in the first place. The American companies that leave America ought not to be able to make a profit off of Americans at all.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:50 AM
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Re: Right to work law?

I am in my third career. I lost my first career because of technilogical advances. I lost my second career because of government intrusion which led the company to move operations to the Phillipines. As a small business owner, and a full time employee, I recognize a few things.

Companies are created to make profit. One of the main reasons why jobs go overseas is the pressure put on by investors to increase profit margin. My retirement/401K is tied into companies which maximizes profit. A catch 22.

Many people have their retirement tied into the stock market. If the company under performs people either pull out their money or fire the leadership.

Jobs go overseas as businesses try to crack emerging markets.

Jobs go overseas where the is less government intrusion.

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Unions have done a lot of good for the American worker in the past.

The problem with using the law to weaken Unions is that rights and benefits earned and protected by Union members will eventually wane-- creating a situation where Unions would be unable to help workers because of company policies or even the law.


American companies who close down their operations in America to operate in other countries show that their "heart" is not for the people that helped to make them strong in the first place. The American companies that leave America ought not to be able to make a profit off of Americans at all.
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:41 PM
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I am in my third career. I lost my first career because of technilogical advances. I lost my second career because of government intrusion which led the company to move operations to the Phillipines. As a small business owner, and a full time employee, I recognize a few things.

Companies are created to make profit. One of the main reasons why jobs go overseas is the pressure put on by investors to increase profit margin. My retirement/401K is tied into companies which maximizes profit. A catch 22.

Many people have their retirement tied into the stock market. If the company under performs people either pull out their money or fire the leadership.

Jobs go overseas as businesses try to crack emerging markets.

Jobs go overseas where the is less government intrusion.
Corporate expansion is healthy.

Corporations leaving Americans behind when it was Americans that made their corporation great is nothing short of treachery.

If you want to excuse or even justify the lust for money that some CEO's appear to have then go ahead.

If they have no loyalty to their own country, then they shouldn't be able to make money off of the citizenry. Let those who move American manufacturing jobs to India and China sell their goods to the Indians and Chinese.
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Unions have done a lot of good for the American worker in the past.

The problem with using the law to weaken Unions is that rights and benefits earned and protected by Union members will eventually wane-- creating a situation where Unions would be unable to help workers because of company policies or even the law.


American companies who close down their operations in America to operate in other countries show that their "heart" is not for the people that helped to make them strong in the first place. The American companies that leave America ought not to be able to make a profit off of Americans at all.
Do you have a word about companies that are so abusive to it's workers that the need for a union arose in the first place?

Just think of the abuse the company that leaves America is heaping upon the third world country it relocates to.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:25 PM
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Hmm. Thought unions were about workers rights. Ironic. LOL!
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Screwing a bolt into a car body isn't worth $40. In many cases relocations is the best solution.

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Corporate expansion is healthy.

Corporations leaving Americans behind when it was Americans that made their corporation great is nothing short of treachery.

If you want to excuse or even justify the lust for money that some CEO's appear to have then go ahead.

If they have no loyalty to their own country, then they shouldn't be able to make money off of the citizenry. Let those who move American manufacturing jobs to India and China sell their goods to the Indians and Chinese.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:34 PM
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A very good Op-Ed piece written by Krauthammer for the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...532_story.html
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