All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by B4 Nicaea

No, it's not a lie. All trinitarians are lost.

Follow the words of Jesus.

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Far be it from me to want anyone to be lost. I dont. I understand people having the Holy Ghost and not understanding the Godhead as it was about 5 years among Protestant groups before I saw the great truth that Jesus is both the Father and the Son. HOWEVER in the light of what Jesus said in John 8:24 I could not in good conscience give someone assurance of final salvation if they do not believe "Unless ye believe that I am {he} you shall die in your sins".

Jesus was saying he was the Father they were seeking. They didnt get it. Dont leave someone in the dark who needs to hear the truth. Dont be afraid to speak up for the truth. My approach certainly is not condemning someone to Hell the first time I have shared with them. Nonetheless we do need to make the message strong so it will at least be considered.

If one ACTUALLY believes the classic Trinitarian doctrine defined as:

There is one God who exists as 3 co equal, co eternal persons, each one of them God in his own right and each person is not the other person.......

I do believe that is a rejection of the doctrine of Christ.

Many millions of believers in Jesus have been taught this but have questions. Many will never get answers unless Oneness people take the burden of caring for and loving people that love him but have been trapped in Protestant/Catholic doctrine.

It is not HATEFUL to present Biblical truth. It is contending for the faith that was once delivered to the saints as we are ALL commanded to do.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Far be it from me to want anyone to be lost. I dont. I understand people having the Holy Ghost and not understanding the Godhead as it was about 5 years among Protestant groups before I saw the great truth that Jesus is both the Father and the Son. HOWEVER in the light of what Jesus said in John 8:24 I could not in good conscience give someone assurance of final salvation if they do not believe "Unless ye believe that I am {he} you shall die in your sins".

Jesus was saying he was the Father they were seeking. They didnt get it.

You don't get it, He never said that He was His own Father. What He did say was that He was in His Father and His Father was in Him.

Joh 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. 11 "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.