All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

True the churches in Rev 2 & 3 did teach false doctrine but since they were addressed as the church ALL of them had obeyed the gospel(Acts 2:38) to become members of the Lord's church and NONE-ZERO-ZILCH-NADA were Trinitarian. You never make the scriptures fit YOUR experience you make your experience fit the scriptures that is your error.

Paul said that "By one Spirit you are baptized into one body". That's Bible. Was I or was I not baptized into the Body of Christ when Jesus filled me with the Holy Ghost back in 1980?


Again, I ask, since you refuse to answer the question...when God filled me with the Holy Ghost back in 1980, was he or wasn't he marking me as one of his own and having been redeemed by the blood of Christ? You are dodging the question. Furthermore, I'm not referring to "personal experience" in the context you say. I'm referring to have "personally experienced" THE experience mentioned by Paul in Ephesians 1:13-14. Did I receive that experience or not? Please don't cop out like a Mormon or JW and tap dance around the question.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Paul said that "By one Spirit you are baptized into one body". That's Bible. Was I or was I not baptized into the Body of Christ when Jesus filled me with the Holy Ghost back in 1980?


Again, I ask, since you refuse to answer the question...when God filled me with the Holy Ghost back in 1980, was he or wasn't he marking me as one of his own and having been redeemed by the blood of Christ? You are dodging the question. Furthermore, I'm not referring to "personal experience" in the context you say. I'm referring to have "personally experienced" THE experience mentioned by Paul in Ephesians 1:13-14. Did I receive that experience or not? Please don't cop out like a Mormon or JW and tap dance around the question.

If you received the Holy Ghost then you are commanded to be baptized in Jesus name. To fail to do that means you have aborted the birth process and you are DOA. Until a person is born again of the water and Spirit they cannot go to heaven.

Edited to add: God breathed the breath of life upon you and until you are baptized in Jesus name you are in the birth canal of the mother. Only after the "water" is broken (baptism takes place) you are not a full fledged member of the body. Paul was speaking to those who had already passed through the waters of baptism and were in context members of the body. The place in scripture where someone had received the Holy Ghost prior to baptism were immediately commanded to be baptized to complete the birth.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pliny

If you received the Holy Ghost then you are commanded to be baptized in Jesus name. To fail to do that means you have aborted the birth process and you are DOA. Until a person is born again of the water and Spirit they cannot go to heaven.

I believe that God's prevenient grace can work with a person for many years before Jesus name baptism being revealed to them. They weren't "lost" during that period of time. In addition... I don't believe in formulas. The key is calling upon Jesus at one's baptism, it's not a magic incantation that washes away sins. If a Trinitarian is baptized by some traditional pastor reciting the Trinitarian formula, it has no bearing if the seeker is calling on the name of Jesus in their heart.

If one refuses to obey and be water baptized... or if Jesus name baptism is revealed to a person and they continue to rebel against it... yes... I do believe that God can cut them off.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that God's prevenient grace can work with a person for many years before Jesus name baptism being revealed to them. They weren't "lost" during that period of time. In addition... I don't believe in formulas. The key is calling upon Jesus at one's baptism, it's not a magic incantation that washes away sins. If a Trinitarian is baptized by some traditional pastor reciting the Trinitarian formula, it has no bearing if the seeker is calling on the name of Jesus in their heart.

If one refuses to obey and be water baptized... or if Jesus name baptism is revealed to a person and they continue to rebel against it... yes... I do believe that God can cut them off.

I totally agree. Ananias commanded Saul to call on (invoke) the Name of the Lord in baptism. Why don't we teach that? Why do we hang someone's salvation on a "priest" saying the right "incantation" over them? Ridiculous.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I totally agree. Ananias commanded Saul to call on (invoke) the Name of the Lord in baptism. Why don't we teach that? Why do we hang someone's salvation on a "priest" saying the right "incantation" over them? Ridiculous.

Wasn't it more of a confession like in Act 8:37?

Acts 8:36 "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? (37) And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

[navygoat1998]

I have seen Pastors when they Baptize say because of the confession of the Faith in Jesus Christ and in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy-ghost.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I have seen Pastors when they Baptize say because of the confession of the Faith in Jesus Christ and in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy-ghost.

Who cares what they say? Nothing in scripture indicates one's salvation hinges on some guy speaking the right words at your baptism.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I have seen Pastors when they Baptize say because of the confession of the Faith in Jesus Christ and in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy-ghost.

Lost as 2 boys kissing.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I totally agree. Ananias commanded Saul to call on (invoke) the Name of the Lord in baptism. Why don't we teach that? Why do we hang someone's salvation on a "priest" saying the right "incantation" over them? Ridiculous.

It's a Romanist system. Folks like Epley believe that a person's salvation hinges on the words spoken by them as they're immersing someone, yet another attempt to place themselves between an individual and God. Pure Romanist teachings.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by seekerman

It's a Romanist system. Folks like Epley believe that a person's salvation hinges on the words spoken by them as they're immersing someone, yet another attempt to place themselves between an individual and God. Pure Romanist teachings.

Having this conversation in times past, I asked Bro. Epley if he had a problem with the person being baptized speaking their own words and he said that he did not have a problem with that at all - just for the record.