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12-19-2012, 11:36 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Pliny
If you received the Holy Ghost then you are commanded to be baptized in Jesus name. To fail to do that means you have aborted the birth process and you are DOA. Until a person is born again of the water and Spirit they cannot go to heaven.
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I believe that God's prevenient grace can work with a person for many years before Jesus name baptism being revealed to them. They weren't "lost" during that period of time. In addition... I don't believe in formulas. The key is calling upon Jesus at one's baptism, it's not a magic incantation that washes away sins. If a Trinitarian is baptized by some traditional pastor reciting the Trinitarian formula, it has no bearing if the seeker is calling on the name of Jesus in their heart.
If one refuses to obey and be water baptized... or if Jesus name baptism is revealed to a person and they continue to rebel against it... yes... I do believe that God can cut them off.
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12-19-2012, 12:28 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I believe that God's prevenient grace can work with a person for many years before Jesus name baptism being revealed to them. They weren't "lost" during that period of time. In addition... I don't believe in formulas. The key is calling upon Jesus at one's baptism, it's not a magic incantation that washes away sins. If a Trinitarian is baptized by some traditional pastor reciting the Trinitarian formula, it has no bearing if the seeker is calling on the name of Jesus in their heart.
If one refuses to obey and be water baptized... or if Jesus name baptism is revealed to a person and they continue to rebel against it... yes... I do believe that God can cut them off.
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I totally agree. Ananias commanded Saul to call on ( invoke) the Name of the Lord in baptism. Why don't we teach that? Why do we hang someone's salvation on a " priest" saying the right " incantation" over them? Ridiculous.
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12-19-2012, 12:44 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Originalist
I totally agree. Ananias commanded Saul to call on (invoke) the Name of the Lord in baptism. Why don't we teach that? Why do we hang someone's salvation on a "priest" saying the right "incantation" over them? Ridiculous.
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Wasn't it more of a confession like in Act 8:37?
Acts 8:36 "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? (37) And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
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12-19-2012, 12:53 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
I have seen Pastors when they Baptize say because of the confession of the Faith in Jesus Christ and in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy-ghost.
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12-19-2012, 01:04 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998
I have seen Pastors when they Baptize say because of the confession of the Faith in Jesus Christ and in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy-ghost.
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Who cares what they say? Nothing in scripture indicates one's salvation hinges on some guy speaking the right words at your baptism.
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12-19-2012, 01:10 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by seekerman
Who cares what they say? Nothing in scripture indicates one's salvation hinges on some guy speaking the right words at your baptism.
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I know that! I understand Baptism like Paul, who said it is to identify with Christ in His death, burial and Resurrection.
Romans 6:3–5
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
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12-19-2012, 01:21 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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I know that! I understand Baptism like Paul, who said it is to identify with Christ in His death, burial and Resurrection.
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12-19-2012, 02:39 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998
I have seen Pastors when they Baptize say because of the confession of the Faith in Jesus Christ and in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy-ghost.
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Lost as 2 boys kissing.
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12-19-2012, 03:07 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lost as 2 boys kissing.
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12-19-2012, 12:49 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Originalist
I totally agree. Ananias commanded Saul to call on (invoke) the Name of the Lord in baptism. Why don't we teach that? Why do we hang someone's salvation on a "priest" saying the right "incantation" over them? Ridiculous.
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It's a Romanist system. Folks like Epley believe that a person's salvation hinges on the words spoken by them as they're immersing someone, yet another attempt to place themselves between an individual and God. Pure Romanist teachings.
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