All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Again, not even Oneness believers entirely agree on the Godhead. Some are Modalist. Some are Monarchian. Some are Dynamic Monarchians. Some lean towards a Unitarian perspective. Some believe that the man Jesus Christ was a distinct human being from the Father...yet spiritually one with the Father. Others believe that Jesus was essentially the Father manifest in a temporal location as a human being.

When dealing with Trinitarianism you have to grapple with systematic ontology. God is a single living being. Existing in a manner that places Him beyond being defined as a "person". Thus within His nature several distinct levels of consciousness are possible. God being transcendent of time and space would have a transcendent consciousness. God emenating into time and space would have a temporal consciousness operating in time. God being Spirit would also exist as spirit on the spiritual plane. Thus, we have a single being subsisting in three distinct ontological realities that are capable of independing reason... and capable of interacting with one another. Their single essence, and coinherence, allow each to share in all that the others are... without loosing distinction.

It's a complicated philosophical mess. lol

And they all believe ONE GOD. That is not a hard concept to grasp. Your description of the trinity makes them tritheists in spite of their objections which is why it is another gospel.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pliny

And they all believe ONE GOD. That is not a hard concept to grasp. Your description of the trinity makes them tritheists in spite of their objections which is why it is another gospel.

Sorry, but most Trinitarians believe in one God. Their way of explaining this one God's existence is ridiculous to say the least, but they do believe in one God nonetheless.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Sorry, but most Trinitarians believe in one God. Their way of explaining this one God's existence is ridiculous to say the least, but they do believe in one God nonetheless.

No need to apologize. I know what Trinitarian's say but they explain tritheism and conclude it's a mystery. The "mystery" is in the incarnation not the godhead.

Many of the Christologies lead to a Christ that destroys the efficacy of Calvary thus making another gospel.

A quick example:
They deny the "man" Christ because they say it is God the Son praying. This turns the "man" into nothing more than a lifeless carcass animated by the second person. This lifeless carcass is no better than the blood of bulls and goats.

For Calvary to be efficacious there had to be the sacrifice of a "man" - Rom. 5 and 1 Cor 15. A man of Adam's race.

If Jesus was "man" then as a man he prayed - they do not allow this making as I said the "man" a lifeless carcass.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Pliny

And they all believe ONE GOD. That is not a hard concept to grasp. Your description of the trinity makes them tritheists in spite of their objections which is why it is another gospel.

Amen.