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Old 12-19-2012, 03:05 PM
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ONLY through His shed blood can a man have remission of sins and that takes place when the penitent is immersed in water having the Name of Jesus Christ invoked over him. Whe you reject that you reject the blood.
Pure hogwash. Nothing in scripture teaches such a thing. Bunk.

Even if you believed that, and I guess you do, you have a tremendous problem with reconciling that with the idea that a person who is redeemed by the blood is going to hell because they haven't spoken in tongues. Thus your dilemma in preaching the insufficiency of the blood of the Lamb message

Your theology is a perfect example of error birthing error which births even more error. And you claim you're the head of the church
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:09 PM
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Pure hogwash. Nothing in scripture teaches such a thing. Bunk.

Even if you believed that, and I guess you do, you have a tremendous problem with reconciling that with the idea that a person who is redeemed by the blood is going to hell because they haven't spoken in tongues. Thus your dilemma in preaching the insufficiency of the blood of the Lamb message

Your theology is a perfect example of error birthing error which births even more error. And you claim you're the head of the church
Oh great one please tell us when remission of sins happens and how it happens.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:14 PM
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Oh great one please tell us when remission of sins happens and how it happens.
The question is, however and whenever it happens, is it sufficient. You're attempting to take the focus from that issue.

And...please....I'm not THAT great.

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Old 12-19-2012, 03:55 PM
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The question is, however and whenever it happens, is it sufficient. You're attempting to take the focus from that issue.

And...please....I'm not THAT great.

Well... we agree on one thing...




Baptism is for the remission/forgiveness of sins. No two ways about it. You either agree or don't.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:00 PM
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Well... we agree on one thing...




Baptism is for the remission/forgiveness of sins. No two ways about it. You either agree or don't.
The blood is sufficient for redemption, it either is or it's not. In Epley's world, it's not. How about yours?
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:54 PM
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The blood is sufficient for redemption, it either is or it's not. In Epley's world, it's not. How about yours?
Redemption is more than just the shed blood of Jesus otherwise the whole world would be saved since Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. A person must acquire that blood and as Paul states:
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Anyone who has ever created a software program will recognize this statement as a classic "if" "then" statement. Meaning that there is a prerequisite that must be met for the "then" statement to become true. In this case we must be "buried" with Him in baptism:

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

By partaking of the prerequisite of baptism then we can be in the likeness of His resurrection.

Also, the fact that we are buried with Him in baptism intimates Jesus name baptism and the Oneness of God for we are baptized in Jesus name and not some fictional trinity otherwise we would be baptized into them, not Him.

As Peter clearly states we are baptized in Jesus name for the remission/forgiveness of sins. Anything else just gets you wet and without you die in your sins.

Yes the blood is sufficient and we acquire the forgiveness it offers through the waters of baptism. We are clothed with His righteousness upon being baptized in His name:
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:06 PM
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Redemption is more than just the shed blood of Jesus otherwise the whole world would be saved since Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. A person must acquire that blood and as Paul states:
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Anyone who has ever created a software program will recognize this statement as a classic "if" "then" statement. Meaning that there is a prerequisite that must be met for the "then" statement to become true. In this case we must be "buried" with Him in baptism:

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

By partaking of the prerequisite of baptism then we can be in the likeness of His resurrection.

Also, the fact that we are buried with Him in baptism intimates Jesus name baptism and the Oneness of God for we are baptized in Jesus name and not some fictional trinity otherwise we would be baptized into them, not Him.

As Peter clearly states we are baptized in Jesus name for the remission/forgiveness of sins. Anything else just gets you wet and without you die in your sins.

Yes the blood is sufficient and we acquire the forgiveness it offers through the waters of baptism. We are clothed with His righteousness upon being baptized in His name:
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
I can't get past this first comment of yours "Redemption is more than just the shed blood of Jesus". That's beyond amazing to me. Are you actually saying that the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, shedding His redemptive blood, is insufficient for a person's redemption?
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:32 PM
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Pure hogwash. Nothing in scripture teaches such a thing. Bunk.

Even if you believed that, and I guess you do, you have a tremendous problem with reconciling that with the idea that a person who is redeemed by the blood is going to hell because they haven't spoken in tongues. Thus your dilemma in preaching the insufficiency of the blood of the Lamb message

Your theology is a perfect example of error birthing error which births even more error. And you claim you're the head of the church
I never claimed I was THE Head of THE Church either you can't read or you can't tell the truth I will allow the readers to decide.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:45 PM
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I never claimed I was THE Head of THE Church either you can't read or you can't tell the truth I will allow the readers to decide.
There's not but ONE church, anything else is nothing but the works of men.
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There's not but ONE church, anything else is nothing but the works of men.
You can tell folks who have never sit through a Bible Class allow me to demostrate:
churchES Acts 9:31, 15:41, 16:5, 19:37,
Rom. 16:4,16
1Cor 11:16, 14:33, 34, 16:1,19,
2Cor. 8:1, 19,23, 11:8,28, 12:13
Gal. 1:22
Rev.22:16
Just to name a few passages too show how Biblically ignorant you are. Then YOU want to give me a Greek lesson? NOT interested.
Are we having fun yet.
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