All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The Roman church teaches baptismal regeneration just as the oneness pentecostals do. Immersion or sprinkling, both result in baptismal regeneration in it's conclusion.

Close. The RCC teaches baptism confirs th Spirit to a person and are regenerated at that moment. No OP teaches this. Furthermore Oneness people usually teach its not the baptism itself that does anything.

Also not all OPs teach the sasme thing regarding baptism but that whatever happens is done by God based on our faith in Jesus when we are baptised

Lastly, all Christian groups taught baptism was essential until recently. Lutherans, methodists/weslyans etc etc.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Close. The RCC teaches baptism confirs th Spirit to a person and are regenerated at that moment. No OP teaches this. Furthermore Oneness people usually teach its not the baptism itself that does anything.

Also not all OPs teach the sasme thing regarding baptism but that whatever happens is done by God based on our faith in Jesus when we are baptised

Lastly, all Christian groups taught baptism was essential until recently. Lutherans, methodists/weslyans etc etc.

"Baptismal regeneration is the name given to doctrines held by some Christian denominations which maintain that salvation is intimately linked to the act of baptism"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

"Baptismal regeneration is the name given to doctrines held by some Christian denominations which maintain that salvation is intimately linked to the act of baptism"

Who are you quoting?

Btw my other point is associating a doctrine with the RCC does not mean that doctrine is wrong

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Who are you quoting?

Wikipedia

Btw my other point is associating a doctrine with the RCC does not mean that doctrine is wrong

Right, I agree. It's just the source of it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Wikipedia
Right, I agree. It's just the source of it.

Please prove the RCC was the source

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please prove the RCC was the source

"In AD 107, St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, wrote a letter to the Church at Ephesus, while being escorted by Roman soldiers to Rome to be martyred. In that letter he writes:

For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost. He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water. (Epistle to the Ephesians, 18)

This notion that Christ purified the waters is found in other Church Fathers as well, but this is the earliest record we have of the statement. Christ was not purified by being baptized, since Christ was already pure. Rather, in His baptism, the waters were purified for our sake, that when we are baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, we are purified, not by the removal of dirt from the body, but by the forgiveness of sin and the reception of the Life of God within us."

If you wish to read more, here's the Roman Catholic website.....

http://www.calledtocommunion.com/201...-regeneration/

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

"In AD 107, St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, wrote a letter to the Church at Ephesus, while being escorted by Roman soldiers to Rome to be martyred. In that letter he writes:

For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost. He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water. (Epistle to the Ephesians, 18)

This notion that Christ purified the waters is found in other Church Fathers as well, but this is the earliest record we have of the statement. Christ was not purified by being baptized, since Christ was already pure. Rather, in His baptism, the waters were purified for our sake, that when we are baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, we are purified, not by the removal of dirt from the body, but by the forgiveness of sin and the reception of the Life of God within us."

If you wish to read more, here's the Roman Catholic website.....

http://www.calledtocommunion.com/201...-regeneration/

How does that prove it originated with the RCC?