All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please prove the RCC was the source

"In AD 107, St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, wrote a letter to the Church at Ephesus, while being escorted by Roman soldiers to Rome to be martyred. In that letter he writes:

For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost. He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water. (Epistle to the Ephesians, 18)

This notion that Christ purified the waters is found in other Church Fathers as well, but this is the earliest record we have of the statement. Christ was not purified by being baptized, since Christ was already pure. Rather, in His baptism, the waters were purified for our sake, that when we are baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, we are purified, not by the removal of dirt from the body, but by the forgiveness of sin and the reception of the Life of God within us."

If you wish to read more, here's the Roman Catholic website.....

http://www.calledtocommunion.com/201...-regeneration/

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

"In AD 107, St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, wrote a letter to the Church at Ephesus, while being escorted by Roman soldiers to Rome to be martyred. In that letter he writes:

For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost. He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water. (Epistle to the Ephesians, 18)

This notion that Christ purified the waters is found in other Church Fathers as well, but this is the earliest record we have of the statement. Christ was not purified by being baptized, since Christ was already pure. Rather, in His baptism, the waters were purified for our sake, that when we are baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, we are purified, not by the removal of dirt from the body, but by the forgiveness of sin and the reception of the Life of God within us."

If you wish to read more, here's the Roman Catholic website.....

http://www.calledtocommunion.com/201...-regeneration/

How does that prove it originated with the RCC?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How does that prove it originated with the RCC?

Looks like they were the first ones to introduce it to Christianity. If you have anyone earlier, I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Looks like they were the first ones to introduce it to Christianity. If you have anyone earlier, I'd be interested in seeing it.

That was a quote from Ignatius...how is that proof the RCC is the source?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That was a quote from Ignatius...how is that proof the RCC is the source?

He's claimed by the RCC to be a church father. St. Theophilus, St. Irenaeus, St. Clement, all claimed to be RCC church fathers and who the RCC use to justify their teaching on baptismal regeneration.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

He's claimed by the RCC to be a church father. St. Theophilus, St. Irenaeus, St. Clement, all claimed to be RCC church fathers and who the RCC use to justify their teaching on baptismal regeneration.

They claim Peter as their first Pope. Is that true too?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

They claim Peter as their first Pope. Is that true too?

I thought we were talking about the origin of baptismal regeneration in Christianity?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

They claim Peter as their first Pope. Is that true too?

They do.