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12-21-2012, 08:59 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Yes.
I believe thats called "taking responsibility for your actions".
At least thats what they tell the man when they come to him for child support, regardless of whether he wanted the child or not.
Why the double standard?
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It's not the GOVERNMENT'S responsibility to make a person take responsibility for their moral decisions. People answer to God.
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12-21-2012, 09:42 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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It's not the GOVERNMENT'S responsibility to make a person take responsibility for their moral decisions. People answer to God.
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Wrong answer. The government "forces" people to make moral decisions all the time - in particular when it injures another human being.
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12-21-2012, 10:51 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Wrong answer. The government "forces" people to make moral decisions all the time - in particular when it injures another human being.
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And again, we're back at the source of the problem. One cannot escape this situation without violating the sovereign rights of either the mother over her own body or the unborn child. This is the root problem. If GOVERNMENT sides with the unborn child, essentially the GOVERNMENT has to FORCE a woman to give birth against her will. That violates her sovereign rights over her own person. This would be no different from violating the sovereignty of her person and FORCE her to abort (as in China). It's the usage of GOVERNMENT FORCE.
However, if the GOVERNMENT chooses to REMOVE itself from the equation and allow the mother sovereign authority over her body and all contents in HER womb... the choice is entirely up to the woman in question. She may choose to give birth or abortion. From there, may she choose wisely, and may God have mercy on her soul. GOVERNMENT isn't FORCING anything and all moral responsibility rests on the individual woman.
Life and death decisions are made every day. I was invested with the authority to decide if life saving measures would be continued on my mother. I could have ask that they continue... and for all I know... she might have stablized and survived. However, I chose to let her go. I didn't want her to spend her last hours on earth being zapped and beat on should she perish.
As a soldier... we make life and death decisions every day.
There comes a point wherein the GOVERNMENT must back away and allow human beings to have due authority over various situations that are indeed life or death.
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12-21-2012, 10:55 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
And again, we're back at the source of the problem. One cannot escape this situation without violating the sovereign rights of either the mother over her own body or the unborn child. This is the root problem. If GOVERNMENT sides with the unborn child, essentially the GOVERNMENT has to FORCE a woman to give birth against her will. That violates her sovereign rights over her own person. This would be no different from violating the sovereignty of her person and FORCE her to abort (as in China). It's the usage of GOVERNMENT FORCE.
However, if the GOVERNMENT chooses to REMOVE itself from the equation and allow the mother sovereign authority over her body and all contents in HER womb... the choice is entirely up to the woman in question. She may choose to give birth or abortion. From there, may she choose wisely, and may God have mercy on her soul. GOVERNMENT isn't FORCING anything and all moral responsibility rests on the individual woman.
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Well the real problem here is defining life. If it could be concluded that life begins at conception, then what? Based on that conclusion, abortion would be murder, right?
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12-21-2012, 12:50 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
And again, we're back at the source of the problem. One cannot escape this situation without violating the sovereign rights of either the mother over her own body or the unborn child. This is the root problem. If GOVERNMENT sides with the unborn child, essentially the GOVERNMENT has to FORCE a woman to give birth against her will. That violates her sovereign rights over her own person. This would be no different from violating the sovereignty of her person and FORCE her to abort (as in China). It's the usage of GOVERNMENT FORCE.
However, if the GOVERNMENT chooses to REMOVE itself from the equation and allow the mother sovereign authority over her body and all contents in HER womb... the choice is entirely up to the woman in question. She may choose to give birth or abortion. From there, may she choose wisely, and may God have mercy on her soul. GOVERNMENT isn't FORCING anything and all moral responsibility rests on the individual woman.
Life and death decisions are made every day. I was invested with the authority to decide if life saving measures would be continued on my mother. I could have ask that they continue... and for all I know... she might have stablized and survived. However, I chose to let her go. I didn't want her to spend her last hours on earth being zapped and beat on should she perish.
As a soldier... we make life and death decisions every day.
There comes a point wherein the GOVERNMENT must back away and allow human beings to have due authority over various situations that are indeed life or death.
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If you believe that a fetus is a human life every paragraph you just wrote is worthless.
The woman has the right over her own body. She has the right to abstain from sex, she has the right to maintain her virginity and innocence until she is married. She has the right to have enough self-respect and dignity not to give herself away to any man until she is physically, emotionally, and financially ready to handle the consequences that come with the decision to lay down and have sex. Every woman has the right, to act responsibly or irresponsibly and make a decision on whether or not to CONCEIVE a child. NO ONE man, woman, boy, or girl has the "right" to abort a human life once it is conceived. If the woman doesn't want to have a child she needs not conceive one. End of story. Once she does, she has no right to say, "I created this life on my own free will and now because I don't want to have it I'm going to murder it". If you don't want kids, keep your zipper closed. That's it, that's all.
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12-21-2012, 12:50 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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If you believe that a fetus is a human life every paragraph you just wrote is worthless.
The woman has the right over her own body. She has the right to abstain from sex, she has the right to maintain her virginity and innocence until she is married. She has the right to have enough self-respect and dignity not to give herself away to any man until she is physically, emotionally, and financially ready to handle the consequences that come with the decision to lay down and have sex. Every woman has the right, to act responsibly or irresponsibly and make a decision on whether or not to CONCEIVE a child. NO ONE man, woman, boy, or girl has the "right" to abort a human life once it is conceived. If the woman doesn't want to have a child she needs not conceive one. End of story. Once she does, she has no right to say, "I created this life on my own free will and now because I don't want to have it I'm going to murder it". If you don't want kids, keep your zipper closed. That's it, that's all.
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12-22-2012, 06:42 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by trialedbyfire
If you believe that a fetus is a human life every paragraph you just wrote is worthless.
The woman has the right over her own body. She has the right to abstain from sex, she has the right to maintain her virginity and innocence until she is married. She has the right to have enough self-respect and dignity not to give herself away to any man until she is physically, emotionally, and financially ready to handle the consequences that come with the decision to lay down and have sex. Every woman has the right, to act responsibly or irresponsibly and make a decision on whether or not to CONCEIVE a child. NO ONE man, woman, boy, or girl has the "right" to abort a human life once it is conceived. If the woman doesn't want to have a child she needs not conceive one. End of story. Once she does, she has no right to say, "I created this life on my own free will and now because I don't want to have it I'm going to murder it". If you don't want kids, keep your zipper closed. That's it, that's all.
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Very good. End of story, really.
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12-21-2012, 12:23 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
It's not the GOVERNMENT'S responsibility to make a person take responsibility for their moral decisions. People answer to God.
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Actually yes it is. When people make a moral decision to kill another person it very much IS the role of government to make sure that they are held accountable for their crime against humanity.
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