All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Sir, if God has filled someone with the Spirit, then God considers them to have obeyed Acts 2:38.

Where do you extract this assumption from the actual text of Acts 2.38:____________?

You cannot divorce the water from the blood:

"the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in accord" (I J. 5.8).

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by rdp

Where do you extract this assumption from the actual text of Acts 2.38:____________?

You cannot divorce the water from the blood:

"the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in accord" (I J. 5.8).

So does the blood still literally exist today? Where is it? Does it have a storage place? Is it orbiting the planet waiting to dive bomb sinners who are getting baptized? Is it invisible? Do you literally believe that blood has come in contact with your soul?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Originalist

So does the blood still literally exist today? Where is it? Does it have a storage place? Is it orbiting the planet waiting to dive bomb sinners who are getting baptized? Is it invisible? Do you literally believe that blood has come in contact with your soul?

When you answer me I'll answer you (I asked first).

From where in the Ac. 2.38 text are extracting that when one is Spirit baptized they have obeyed the fulness of said passage?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by rdp

When you answer me I'll answer you (I asked first).

From where in the Ac. 2.38 text are extracting that when one is Spirit baptized they have obeyed the fulness of said passage?

I meant that in the context of Cornelius. In his case, God called those things that are not as though they are. I also meant that in the context of those who had some preacher use an incorrect formula while baptizing them. If God fills them with the Spirit after that baptism, then that means in God's eyes THEY have obeyed Acts 2;38. This does not mean i would not share with them the historical truth concerning invoking the name of Jesus at baptism. but if christ lives in them, they are our brother. Why because the one who bears the Name lives in them.

Now it's your turn. Please answer my question.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I meant that in the context of Cornelius. In his case, God called those things that are not as though they are. I also meant that in the context of those who had some preacher use an incorrect formula while baptizing them. If God fills them with the Spirit after that baptism, then that means in God's eyes THEY have obeyed Acts 2;38. This does not mean i would not share with them the historical truth concerning invoking the name of Jesus at baptism. but if christ lives in them, they are our brother. Why because the one who bears the Name lives in them.

Now it's your turn. Please answer my question.

I specifically answered your question already regarding I Ptr. 3:20-21 (I assume that's the question you're referring to?). Do you also post on CARM ??

If you have a preacher who knows what he is doing he will not "use an incorrect formula(e)" (which is really nothing more than a smoke screen)....But, I'm pretty certain he would be familiar w/ the pronunciation of the Name of Jesus Christ!?!?

If they are not water baptized in Jesus' name they are not my brother in Christ & are not walking in covenant relationship w/ God. Do a study of the oral invocation of God's Name in covenant initiation all throughout the Bible & your eyes will fly open wide !

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by rdp

I specifically answered your question already regarding I Ptr. 3:20-21 (I assume that's the question you're referring to?). Do you also post on CARM ??

If you have a preacher who knows what he is doing he will not "use an incorrect formula(e)" (which is really nothing more than a smoke screen)....But, I'm pretty certain he would be familiar w/ the pronunciation of the Name of Jesus Christ!?!?

If they are not water baptized in Jesus' name they are not my brother in Christ & are not walking in covenant relationship w/ God. Do a study of the oral invocation of God's Name in covenant initiation all throughout the Bible & your eyes will fly open wide !

Maybe you can say that someone who has the Holy Ghost is not your brother, but you are not being scriptural. The Spirit in them is the same Spirit of adoption that's in YOU, crying "Abba Father". You can't have it both ways. Furthermore, I've done many studies on oral invocations. I believe in them. But there is just not enough data to say that it is the "blood" is somehow "in the name" orally invoked. Again, that is eerily similar to transubstantiation.

Here is my question you did not answer.....

So does the blood still literally exist today? Where is it? Does it have a storage place? Is it orbiting the planet waiting to dive bomb sinners who are getting baptized? Is it invisible? Do you literally believe that blood has come in contact with your soul?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Maybe you can say that someone who has the Holy Ghost is not your brother, but you are not being scriptural. The Spirit in them is the same Spirit of adoption that's in YOU, crying "Abba Father". You can't have it both ways. Furthermore, I've done many studies on oral invocations. I believe in them. But there is just not enough data to say that it is the "blood" is somehow "in the name" orally invoked. Again, that is eerily similar to transubstantiation.

100% wrong! The OT states that the life of the flesh is in the blood (Lev. 17). The NT states that the "life" is in His "Name" (John 20.31). You are offering an unscriptural segregation of His Blood from His Name.

Here is my question you did not answer.....

So does the blood still literally exist today? Where is it? Does it have a storage place? Is it orbiting the planet waiting to dive bomb sinners who are getting baptized? Is it invisible? Do you literally believe that blood has come in contact with your soul?

Oh that one. Honestly, I do not respond to silly questions devoid of substance....& I'm not being coy here, but 100% sincere.

The Blood is found in the Name & person of Jesus Christ & is applied via repentance, water & Spirit baptism & on a daily basis. All the way from the brass altar to the Mercy Seat! You are unwittingly toying w/ the practical application of His Blood....Which was shed for the sins of the whole world (I John).