All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

tv1a · #1 12-31-2012, 02:02 AM

Only the Phillipian jailer asked what to do to be saved.

Acts 2:37 says men and brethern, what must we do? Three steppers add the phrase to be saved to the verse to legitimize Acts 2:38 as a response to the gospel. The people were convicted because the were in the group which killed an innocent man.

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Originally Posted by Old Paths

You're such a novice.

Acts 2:38 was addressed to sinners that were asking HOW to be saved.

You know, the old "what must we do" thing.

Where as I Cor.15:1-3 opens with Moreover, BRETHREN".

BRETHREN", folks already in the church.

I Cor. 15:1-3 is to remind SAVED folks how they got saved.

1 Corinthians 15:1-3
(KJV)

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Praxeas · #2 12-31-2012, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Only the Phillipian jailer asked what to do to be saved.

Acts 2:37 says men and brethern, what must we do? Three steppers add the phrase to be saved to the verse to legitimize Acts 2:38 as a response to the gospel. The people were convicted because the were in the group which killed an innocent man.

What shall we do to be what if not saved?

Old Paths · #3 12-31-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

What shall we do to be what if not saved?

Exactly.

They weren't asking directions to the local Walmart.

They were convicted at the preaching and wanted an answer for their salvation.

Hoovie · #4 12-31-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

What shall we do to be what if not saved?

To make things right for their unjust rejection (and death) of the Messiah, how to become saved, justified and discipled by He whom they had rejected.

Praxeas · #5 12-31-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

To make things right for their unjust rejection (and death) of the Messiah, how to become saved, justified and discipled by He whom they had rejected.

TV doesn't seem to think so...

Hoovie · #6 12-31-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

TV doesn't seem to think so...

I do believe it includes salvation.

However, this does not address the exact moment of the same, whether it is instantaneous or a process, or more precisely, whether there is one, three or more steps to salvation.

Originalist · #7 01-01-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I do believe it includes salvation.

However, this does not address the exact moment of the same, whether it is instantaneous or a process, or more precisely, whether there is one, three or more steps to salvation.

I maintain there is just ONE step to salvation, and it the step that GOD takes in saving us by washing of rebirth and renewing of the Holy Ghost as Paul said in Titus 3:5. We signal to God that we are surrendering to that salvation by repentance/water baptism in Jesus' name.

Steve Epley · #8 01-01-2013, 10:51 AM

2013 and still are Trinitarians are lost.

Originalist · #9 12-31-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Only the Phillipian jailer asked what to do to be saved.

Acts 2:37 says men and brethern, what must we do? Three steppers add the phrase to be saved to the verse to legitimize Acts 2:38 as a response to the gospel. The people were convicted because the were in the group which killed an innocent man.

All true. but if the Phillipian jailer hated anyone, then he too was a murderer according to the Bible. Had he ever stolen anything? Had he lusted in his heart making him guilty of adultery? Those men Peter preached to in Acts 2 had not personally killed Jesus, but Peter declared that in God's eyes they were still muderers.

Furthermore, we should take a second look at the question the jailer asked. He was in fear of his PHYSICAL life. He had just seen a miraculous earthquake set two men free. He probably thought they had some supernatural power to cause this. He most likely was not even concerned with his spiritual well being when he asked them what he must do to be saved. He was thinking about self preservation. Paul then turned the conversation from the physical salvation to the spiritual salvation by interjecting Christ into the discussion. But even then, Paul's answer required further clarification because the next verse says.......

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Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.

What was this "word of the Lord" they spoke to him? It was the gospel. They declared unto him that only through submitting to the Lordship of Christ and trusting in his work on the cross could they escape the condemnation of sin. Then the resurrected Jesus would "save them by the washing of rebirth and renewing of the Holy Spirit", as Paul would later tell Titus. Obviously Paul included water baptism in his message concerning how to believe on the Lord Jesus, because verse 33 says....

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At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized

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So in the final analysis, Paul did not tell the jailer anything different than Ananias had told him at his own conversion, or that Peter had told the crowd in Acts 2.

hometown guy · #10 12-31-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Only the Phillipian jailer asked what to do to be saved.

Acts 2:37 says men and brethern, what must we do? Three steppers add the phrase to be saved to the verse to legitimize Acts 2:38 as a response to the gospel. The people were convicted because the were in the group which killed an innocent man.

If you do not believe they were asking how to be saved then I would love to hear what you think they were referring to when they asked the question.