Something interesting about gays.

Ferd · #1 02-14-2013, 10:03 AM

I believe that God does deliver us from immediately...sometimes.

I know people who had horrible addictions and God delivered them in a miraculous way.

I have seen this happen in my own life. I have also seen the grace of God guide a person thru difficult waters without deliverance.
They struggle. They fall, and get up and go on. And God leads and guides.

There was a time in my life when I didn’t understand that. Why didn’t God just poof stuff away?
Then the more I reflected the more I searched scripture and I see in scripture the Grace of God in action in the life of Paul.
Paul says in the book of Titus that the Grace of God that brings salvation teaches us… (Titus 2:11-12)
So I began to see Paul’s words in the light of Paul’s life.
I believe this is Paul’s thorn in the flesh. I have no proof and it certainly is no point of doctrine but this is my personal belief and it has meant a lot to me.

Paul was arrogant. He was harsh at times and self-justified in actions that can only be viewed as inflexible.
Paul says in one place that he “withstood Peter to his face” There was a conflict and Peter was wrong and Paul was right, but the indication is that this happened in public and it was ugly.
In another place we learn that Paul and Barnabas had a falling out over John Mark. The guy who eventually wrote the book of Mark.

Mark was young and Barnabas saw something in him that made him want to work with the kid. Barnabas invited Mark to make a missionary journey. Things got hard and Mark started complaining. Paul was NOT kind. In the end Barnabas and Paul had a serious falling out. They went in different directions because Paul had no time for a snot nosed kid.

But at the end of Paul’s life we see something very different. We see him saying “send John Mark to me for he is profitable for me”. ME. PAUL. Paul needed this man whom he had not been willing to help.
There was a shift over the life of Paul that softened that hardness that caused Paul grief. I think Paul knew about this thing. I think that is what Paul was praying that God would deliver him from and what God simply told him that His Grace would suffice.

Paul needed to walk thru that trial and not simply be delivered. It is instructive. WE have difficulties that we are not delivered from. That we must walk thru. God’s Grace is there. It bring salvation, but it also is instructive in our daily lives if we will bend ourselves to its instruction.

Does God deliver? Certainly. Does God deliver by his Grace, thru the fire that Peter talks of? Without question.

MarieA27 · #2 02-14-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

I believe that God does deliver us from immediately...sometimes.

I know people who had horrible addictions and God delivered them in a miraculous way.

I have seen this happen in my own life. I have also seen the grace of God guide a person thru difficult waters without deliverance.
They struggle. They fall, and get up and go on. And God leads and guides.

There was a time in my life when I didn’t understand that. Why didn’t God just poof stuff away?
Then the more I reflected the more I searched scripture and I see in scripture the Grace of God in action in the life of Paul.
Paul says in the book of Titus that the Grace of God that brings salvation teaches us… (Titus 2:11-12)
So I began to see Paul’s words in the light of Paul’s life.
I believe this is Paul’s thorn in the flesh. I have no proof and it certainly is no point of doctrine but this is my personal belief and it has meant a lot to me.

Paul was arrogant. He was harsh at times and self-justified in actions that can only be viewed as inflexible.
Paul says in one place that he “withstood Peter to his face” There was a conflict and Peter was wrong and Paul was right, but the indication is that this happened in public and it was ugly.
In another place we learn that Paul and Barnabas had a falling out over John Mark. The guy who eventually wrote the book of Mark.

Mark was young and Barnabas saw something in him that made him want to work with the kid. Barnabas invited Mark to make a missionary journey. Things got hard and Mark started complaining. Paul was NOT kind. In the end Barnabas and Paul had a serious falling out. They went in different directions because Paul had no time for a snot nosed kid.

But at the end of Paul’s life we see something very different. We see him saying “send John Mark to me for he is profitable for me”. ME. PAUL. Paul needed this man whom he had not been willing to help.
There was a shift over the life of Paul that softened that hardness that caused Paul grief. I think Paul knew about this thing. I think that is what Paul was praying that God would deliver him from and what God simply told him that His Grace would suffice.

Paul needed to walk thru that trial and not simply be delivered. It is instructive. WE have difficulties that we are not delivered from. That we must walk thru. God’s Grace is there. It bring salvation, but it also is instructive in our daily lives if we will bend ourselves to its instruction.

Does God deliver? Certainly. Does God deliver by his Grace, thru the fire that Peter talks of? Without question.

Yes, God sometimes delivers us speedily, and other times he won't. In my experience, there were times when Jesus healed and delivered me right away, within moments of prayer, and other times, that it took weeks, months, and even years for him to deliver me.

The way I see it, is that God is building you up, working things out of you, that needs not to be there, and strengthening you with things that ought to be, and helping you in your walk, for things that are now and is to come. Also I believe that he's testing you, to see if you would hold on to Him, no matter what happens to you; whether you'll cleave to him, only when things are good, or if you'll stay on when situations are rough. Just like he did with Job, I believe that he does the same to his saints.

crakjak · #3 02-14-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

I believe that God does deliver us from immediately...sometimes.

I know people who had horrible addictions and God delivered them in a miraculous way.

I have seen this happen in my own life. I have also seen the grace of God guide a person thru difficult waters without deliverance.
They struggle. They fall, and get up and go on. And God leads and guides.

There was a time in my life when I didn’t understand that. Why didn’t God just poof stuff away?
Then the more I reflected the more I searched scripture and I see in scripture the Grace of God in action in the life of Paul.
Paul says in the book of Titus that the Grace of God that brings salvation teaches us… (Titus 2:11-12)
So I began to see Paul’s words in the light of Paul’s life.
I believe this is Paul’s thorn in the flesh. I have no proof and it certainly is no point of doctrine but this is my personal belief and it has meant a lot to me.

Paul was arrogant. He was harsh at times and self-justified in actions that can only be viewed as inflexible.
Paul says in one place that he “withstood Peter to his face” There was a conflict and Peter was wrong and Paul was right, but the indication is that this happened in public and it was ugly.
In another place we learn that Paul and Barnabas had a falling out over John Mark. The guy who eventually wrote the book of Mark.

Mark was young and Barnabas saw something in him that made him want to work with the kid. Barnabas invited Mark to make a missionary journey. Things got hard and Mark started complaining. Paul was NOT kind. In the end Barnabas and Paul had a serious falling out. They went in different directions because Paul had no time for a snot nosed kid.

But at the end of Paul’s life we see something very different. We see him saying “send John Mark to me for he is profitable for me”. ME. PAUL. Paul needed this man whom he had not been willing to help.
There was a shift over the life of Paul that softened that hardness that caused Paul grief. I think Paul knew about this thing. I think that is what Paul was praying that God would deliver him from and what God simply told him that His Grace would suffice.

Paul needed to walk thru that trial and not simply be delivered. It is instructive. WE have difficulties that we are not delivered from. That we must walk thru. God’s Grace is there. It bring salvation, but it also is instructive in our daily lives if we will bend ourselves to its instruction.

Does God deliver? Certainly. Does God deliver by his Grace, thru the fire that Peter talks of? Without question.

As with our special needs son, we desire relief and a miracle, but God instead delivered us in the circumstance. And thru the working of this problem in us, He has brought ministry to 30+ families http://www.coventryreserve.org/. See, His purpose is greater than our short range vision!!! God allowed evil and adversity into the world, and He has a purpose for that, He is not sadistic, He simply sees the bigger picture, much like mature parents and our children.

Azzan · #4 02-14-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

I believe that God does deliver us from immediately...sometimes.

I know people who had horrible addictions and God delivered them in a miraculous way.

I have seen this happen in my own life. I have also seen the grace of God guide a person thru difficult waters without deliverance.
They struggle. They fall, and get up and go on. And God leads and guides.

There was a time in my life when I didn’t understand that. Why didn’t God just poof stuff away?
Then the more I reflected the more I searched scripture and I see in scripture the Grace of God in action in the life of Paul.
Paul says in the book of Titus that the Grace of God that brings salvation teaches us… (Titus 2:11-12)
So I began to see Paul’s words in the light of Paul’s life.
I believe this is Paul’s thorn in the flesh. I have no proof and it certainly is no point of doctrine but this is my personal belief and it has meant a lot to me.

Paul was arrogant. He was harsh at times and self-justified in actions that can only be viewed as inflexible.
Paul says in one place that he “withstood Peter to his face” There was a conflict and Peter was wrong and Paul was right, but the indication is that this happened in public and it was ugly.
In another place we learn that Paul and Barnabas had a falling out over John Mark. The guy who eventually wrote the book of Mark.

Mark was young and Barnabas saw something in him that made him want to work with the kid. Barnabas invited Mark to make a missionary journey. Things got hard and Mark started complaining. Paul was NOT kind. In the end Barnabas and Paul had a serious falling out. They went in different directions because Paul had no time for a snot nosed kid.

But at the end of Paul’s life we see something very different. We see him saying “send John Mark to me for he is profitable for me”. ME. PAUL. Paul needed this man whom he had not been willing to help.
There was a shift over the life of Paul that softened that hardness that caused Paul grief. I think Paul knew about this thing. I think that is what Paul was praying that God would deliver him from and what God simply told him that His Grace would suffice.

Paul needed to walk thru that trial and not simply be delivered. It is instructive. WE have difficulties that we are not delivered from. That we must walk thru. God’s Grace is there. It bring salvation, but it also is instructive in our daily lives if we will bend ourselves to its instruction.

Does God deliver? Certainly. Does God deliver by his Grace, thru the fire that Peter talks of? Without question.

Thank you for this post. I highlighted a portion of your post to make one comment. Slipping and falling with homosexuality can have deep devastating consequences to not only the individual but others around them. I destroyed a marriage by being weak one day and giving in.

Cindy · #5 02-14-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

Thank you for this post. I highlighted a portion of your post to make one comment. Slipping and falling with homosexuality can have deep devastating consequences to not only the individual but others around them. I destroyed a marriage by being weak one day and giving in.

As with all sin there are consequences, and most are not confined to the sinner, but to family and friends. Like a chain reaction.

Ferd · #6 02-14-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

Thank you for this post. I highlighted a portion of your post to make one comment. Slipping and falling with homosexuality can have deep devastating consequences to not only the individual but others around them. I destroyed a marriage by being weak one day and giving in.

I appreciate your openenss and honesty and desire to live for God. And I pray that Gods Grace will lead you and guide you and make you an overcomer.

Pressing-On · #7 02-18-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

I believe that God does deliver us from immediately...sometimes.

I know people who had horrible addictions and God delivered them in a miraculous way.

I have seen this happen in my own life. I have also seen the grace of God guide a person thru difficult waters without deliverance.
They struggle. They fall, and get up and go on. And God leads and guides.

There was a time in my life when I didn’t understand that. Why didn’t God just poof stuff away?
Then the more I reflected the more I searched scripture and I see in scripture the Grace of God in action in the life of Paul.
Paul says in the book of Titus that the Grace of God that brings salvation teaches us… (Titus 2:11-12)
So I began to see Paul’s words in the light of Paul’s life.
I believe this is Paul’s thorn in the flesh. I have no proof and it certainly is no point of doctrine but this is my personal belief and it has meant a lot to me.

Paul was arrogant. He was harsh at times and self-justified in actions that can only be viewed as inflexible.
Paul says in one place that he “withstood Peter to his face” There was a conflict and Peter was wrong and Paul was right, but the indication is that this happened in public and it was ugly.
In another place we learn that Paul and Barnabas had a falling out over John Mark. The guy who eventually wrote the book of Mark.

Mark was young and Barnabas saw something in him that made him want to work with the kid. Barnabas invited Mark to make a missionary journey. Things got hard and Mark started complaining. Paul was NOT kind. In the end Barnabas and Paul had a serious falling out. They went in different directions because Paul had no time for a snot nosed kid.

But at the end of Paul’s life we see something very different. We see him saying “send John Mark to me for he is profitable for me”. ME. PAUL. Paul needed this man whom he had not been willing to help.

There was a shift over the life of Paul that softened that hardness that caused Paul grief. I think Paul knew about this thing. I think that is what Paul was praying that God would deliver him from and what God simply told him that His Grace would suffice.

Paul needed to walk thru that trial and not simply be delivered. It is instructive. WE have difficulties that we are not delivered from. That we must walk thru. God’s Grace is there. It bring salvation, but it also is instructive in our daily lives if we will bend ourselves to its instruction.

Does God deliver? Certainly. Does God deliver by his Grace, thru the fire that Peter talks of? Without question.

Absolutely love this post!!!!