Something interesting about gays.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Luke

No response Mr Phelps. Let me illustrate my point as it applies to Romans 7 and 8. In romans 7 we are told by Paul in verse 21 22 23 that what he struggled with was a law of sin. In Romans 8:2 Paul that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made him free from the law of sin and death.

Now by way of illustration lets substitute the word CHAIN for the phrase LAW OF SIN we would then find Paul saying he was bound by a CHIAN in chapter 7 and freed from a CHAIN in chapter 8. To say therefore that Paul meant he was given the power to overcome and resist the CHAIN but not have it removed would be the same as saying that by loosening the CHAIN to where you could hobble around was freedom. Such an idea makes no sense! If someone is bound by a chain and them set free it means the chain was removed from them and in no longer on them! In just the same way when Paul says he was freed from from the law of sin that he speaks of struggleing with in chapter 7 it means the same thing that it was removed and he no longer had it! Otherwise why did he not say " the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath helped me with the law of sin and death rather than freed me from the law of sin and death.

Sorry, Luke, wasn't avoiding you, just don't get online much over the weekends!

Your point is valid, and basically, I think we're saying the same thing....my point is that there are some who say "Jesus was incapable of sinning". My feeling is that, just like us, he was "capable of NOT sinning".

Not semantics - those are two separate issues.

I don't care how full of the Holy Ghost someone is, there is always a temptation in their lives. Overcomers resist, but they are not immune to, the temptation.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

my point is that there are some who say "Jesus was incapable of sinning". My feeling is that, just like us, he was "capable of NOT sinning".

Not semantics - those are two separate issues.

I have never seen it put like that. He was able to sin, but didn't. Not sure that I agree or disagree. That really is a different perspective.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Sorry, Luke, wasn't avoiding you, just don't get online much over the weekends!

Your point is valid, and basically, I think we're saying the same thing....my point is that there are some who say "Jesus was incapable of sinning". My feeling is that, just like us, he was "capable of NOT sinning".

Not semantics - those are two separate issues.

I don't care how full of the Holy Ghost someone is, there is always a temptation in their lives. Overcomers resist, but they are not immune to, the temptation.

I agree 100 percent

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Sorry, Luke, wasn't avoiding you, just don't get online much over the weekends!

Your point is valid, and basically, I think we're saying the same thing....my point is that there are some who say "Jesus was incapable of sinning". My feeling is that, just like us, he was "capable of NOT sinning".

Not semantics - those are two separate issues.

I don't care how full of the Holy Ghost someone is, there is always a temptation in their lives. Overcomers resist, but they are not immune to, the temptation.

I'm not sure I agree.

One of the basic ways a man is tempted to sin is through deception.

I Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

Reading John 2:25 "And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man."

If Jesus knew what was already in man, how could He be deceived and therefore sin at any time?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm not sure I agree.

One of the basic ways a man is tempted to sin is through deception.

I Timothy 2:14 "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

Reading John 2:25 "And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man."

If Jesus knew what was already in man, how could He be deceived and therefore sin at any time?

Good point.....but, it begs the question - why would the Bible say he was "Tempted in all points, like as we....yet without sin"?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Good point.....but, it begs the question - why would the Bible say he was "Tempted in all points, like as we....yet without sin"?

Because He was incapable of sinning?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Because He was incapable of sinning?

Doesn't make sense to me......seems like a completely unnecessary statement to me.

I hate to use a crude analogy, but it's like a man saying that he has has unprotected sex numerous times, and yet never has been pregnant.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Doesn't make sense to me......seems like a completely unnecessary statement to me.

I hate to use a crude analogy, but it's like a man saying that he has has unprotected sex numerous times, and yet never has been pregnant.

Unprotected? He was God manifest in the flesh.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Unprotected? He was God manifest in the flesh.

I guess I'm just struggling with the phrase "yet without sin" if it was impossible for Jesus to sin in the first place.

I think we're on a merry go round here