Rabbi Pruzansky On Why Obama Won

[Pressing-On]

You can blame Romney's loss on whatever you want. It is easier to blame the entitlement mentality, but that is not what really made Romney lose.

The GOP simply lost because of their dishonesty toward the grassroots during the primaries and at Convention. If they don't pay attention, they will lose again.

It is now becoming apparent why they (MSM & FOX News) keep "labeling" Rand Paul as a conservative.. They are trying to put him in the far right bucket to demonize him. Sneaky jerks..

February 15, 2013

Chairman Priebus,

During and since the Winter Meeting of the RNC, you have stated in multiple interviews that it is your intention to welcome different grassroots factions into the RNC and to address the grassroots' grievances against the 2012 rule changes.

A few of the most egregious rule changes consist of the 2012 form of the rules 12, 16, & 40.

There is an amendment which will be brought to a vote before the Standing Committee on Rules at the April meeting of the RNC, and, if passed at the committee meeting, will be brought to a vote before the RNC (according to your stated intention to support whatever decision is made by the rules committee). The amendment addresses the grievances against rule 16, but is unable to address the 2012 changes made to rules 12 & 40.

The fact that the amendment is unable to address rules 12 & 40 means that the measure is not enough to adequately appeal to the grassroots to continue participation within the Republican Party on the national level for the following reasons:

Rule 12 allows the RNC to make amendments to the Rules of the Republican Party, a power that was previously only reserved to the vote of the National Convention Delegation, ensuring that theirs was the final word over the RNC Rules. If rule 12 is invoked to amend rules 1-11 & 13-25 at the Spring Meeting of the RNC, many of the grassroots do not feel secure that the rules won't be reverted back to their 2012 form at subsequent meetings of the RNC, with rule 12 still in place to allow the RNC to make such changes.

Rule 40 will prevent any grassroots presidential candidate from being eligible for nomination at the 2016 convention. If all of the rules are not reverted back to their 2008 form, rule 40 cannot be amended until the 2016 convention, and that is only if the rules committee should decide to suggest that it be amended, and then contingent upon the vote of the 2016 delegation. Even if rule 40 is amended by a final vote of the 2016 National Convention Delegation at that time, the amendment would not go into effect until the National Convention of 2020 (because of the fact that candidates of the 2016 election will be looking to the 2012 format of the rules during their campaign in determining their ballot access at the National Convention). 2020 is too long to keep the grassroots hanging on the line in order to be able to select for themselves which candidates should have ballot access at the National Convention.

Another grievance that the grassroots hold over the actions of the 2012 RNC proceedings is the manner in which the rule changes were said to have been passed. You may recall the incident during the RNC in Tampa in which John Boehner announced that “the ayes have it” while chairing over the vote of the Rules Committee Report. To those in the audience and those who later watched the video, it was clear that the vote was too close to call, yet Boehner proceeded and ignored shouts from the delegation to bring the vote to an official count. We consider this action to have effectively passed the 2012 rules illegitimately. It was later seen that the vote had been scripted on the teleprompter prior to the vote itself being taken.

The fact that the National Convention Delegation was previously considered to be the final deciding factor over whether the Rules Committee suggested amendments pass or fail, the vote of the National Delegation should have been held with the utmost sincerity, and not simply considered a made-for-tv courtesy upon receiving a vote result that wasn't desired.

The National Convention Delegation vote is one of the very few opportunities for the grassroots to have their voices heard within the RNC, and the described actions of John Boehner during his time of chairing over the Rule Committee Report effectively stripped the grassroots of their voice within the decisions of the RNC.

The amendment that you have stated that you will support if passed by the RNC Standing Committee on Rules at the April meeting of the RNC does not address these grievances. It is for these reasons that we ask, instead, that a motion is brought before the entire body of the RNC to revert all of the rules back to their 2008 form on the grounds that the 2012 Rules Committee Report was not passed by a legitimate majority vote of the National Delegation in Tampa, FL, and on the grounds that you wish to take action to truly address the grievances of the grassroots and encourage further participation of the grassroots within the Republican Party on the national level.

Please advise on what actions you intend to take to address the concerns listed above,

Nicole Revels - Active North Carolina Republican

Bryan Daugherty - Active Maine Republican

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You can blame Romney's loss on whatever you want. It is easier to blame the entitlement mentality, but that is not what really made Romney lose.

The GOP simply lost because of their dishonesty toward the grassroots during the primaries and at Convention. If they don't pay attention, they will lose again.

It is now becoming apparent why they (MSM & FOX News) keep "labeling" Rand Paul as a conservative.. They are trying to put him in the far right bucket to demonize him. Sneaky jerks..

February 15, 2013

Chairman Priebus,

During and since the Winter Meeting of the RNC, you have stated in multiple interviews that it is your intention to welcome different grassroots factions into the RNC and to address the grassroots' grievances against the 2012 rule changes.

A few of the most egregious rule changes consist of the 2012 form of the rules 12, 16, & 40.

There is an amendment which will be brought to a vote before the Standing Committee on Rules at the April meeting of the RNC, and, if passed at the committee meeting, will be brought to a vote before the RNC (according to your stated intention to support whatever decision is made by the rules committee). The amendment addresses the grievances against rule 16, but is unable to address the 2012 changes made to rules 12 & 40.

The fact that the amendment is unable to address rules 12 & 40 means that the measure is not enough to adequately appeal to the grassroots to continue participation within the Republican Party on the national level for the following reasons:

Rule 12 allows the RNC to make amendments to the Rules of the Republican Party, a power that was previously only reserved to the vote of the National Convention Delegation, ensuring that theirs was the final word over the RNC Rules. If rule 12 is invoked to amend rules 1-11 & 13-25 at the Spring Meeting of the RNC, many of the grassroots do not feel secure that the rules won't be reverted back to their 2012 form at subsequent meetings of the RNC, with rule 12 still in place to allow the RNC to make such changes.

Rule 40 will prevent any grassroots presidential candidate from being eligible for nomination at the 2016 convention. If all of the rules are not reverted back to their 2008 form, rule 40 cannot be amended until the 2016 convention, and that is only if the rules committee should decide to suggest that it be amended, and then contingent upon the vote of the 2016 delegation. Even if rule 40 is amended by a final vote of the 2016 National Convention Delegation at that time, the amendment would not go into effect until the National Convention of 2020 (because of the fact that candidates of the 2016 election will be looking to the 2012 format of the rules during their campaign in determining their ballot access at the National Convention). 2020 is too long to keep the grassroots hanging on the line in order to be able to select for themselves which candidates should have ballot access at the National Convention.

Another grievance that the grassroots hold over the actions of the 2012 RNC proceedings is the manner in which the rule changes were said to have been passed. You may recall the incident during the RNC in Tampa in which John Boehner announced that “the ayes have it” while chairing over the vote of the Rules Committee Report. To those in the audience and those who later watched the video, it was clear that the vote was too close to call, yet Boehner proceeded and ignored shouts from the delegation to bring the vote to an official count. We consider this action to have effectively passed the 2012 rules illegitimately. It was later seen that the vote had been scripted on the teleprompter prior to the vote itself being taken.

The fact that the National Convention Delegation was previously considered to be the final deciding factor over whether the Rules Committee suggested amendments pass or fail, the vote of the National Delegation should have been held with the utmost sincerity, and not simply considered a made-for-tv courtesy upon receiving a vote result that wasn't desired.

The National Convention Delegation vote is one of the very few opportunities for the grassroots to have their voices heard within the RNC, and the described actions of John Boehner during his time of chairing over the Rule Committee Report effectively stripped the grassroots of their voice within the decisions of the RNC.

The amendment that you have stated that you will support if passed by the RNC Standing Committee on Rules at the April meeting of the RNC does not address these grievances. It is for these reasons that we ask, instead, that a motion is brought before the entire body of the RNC to revert all of the rules back to their 2008 form on the grounds that the 2012 Rules Committee Report was not passed by a legitimate majority vote of the National Delegation in Tampa, FL, and on the grounds that you wish to take action to truly address the grievances of the grassroots and encourage further participation of the grassroots within the Republican Party on the national level.

Please advise on what actions you intend to take to address the concerns listed above,

Nicole Revels - Active North Carolina Republican

Bryan Daugherty - Active Maine Republican

The Republicans and "conservatives" can continue to feud, all you and they desire. All the while ignoring that the elephant in the room is all the things that the Rabbi just itemized. I'm am simply a voter, I am not engaged in the things that you present here. All I can see is that the other party is building on the weak and the poor while the Republicans fight each other, do not build a platform nor a campagin to win. They are just spitting in the wind, as the 47% and the delusional independents elect a radical that is doing great damage to the country. It is going to take ALL the Repubs, and many independents to win, but when the "conservatives" sit it out the rads continue to capitalize on their foolishness.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

The Republicans and "conservatives" can continue to feud, all you and they desire. All the while ignoring that the elephant in the room is all the things that the Rabbi just itemized. I'm am simply a voter, I am not engaged in the things that you present here. All I can see is that the other party is building on the weak and the poor while the Republicans fight each other, do not build a platform nor a campagin to win. They are just spitting in the wind, as the 47% and the delusional independents elect a radical that is doing great damage to the country. It is going to take ALL the Repubs, and many independents to win, but when the "conservatives" sit it out the rads continue to capitalize on their foolishness.

I'm surprised that you think it would be the right thing to do to join the GOP Establishment and Rove with their Soviet style Politburo tactics. It's not happening.

We will never win on substance until we fix what is broken and it is broken. Fixing the debate ideas and uniting Americans is what will work. The GOP has been and seems bent on continuing it's divisiveness and dishonesty. Good luck to them. We certainly won't be party to it.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm surprised that you think it would be the right thing to do to join the GOP Establishment and Rove with their Soviet style Politburo tactics. It's not happening.

We will never win on substance until we fix what is broken and it is broken. Fixing the debate ideas and uniting Americans is what will work. The GOP has been and seems bent on continuing it's divisiveness and dishonesty. Good luck to them. We certainly won't be party to it.

Mark levin's newest "enemy" is Karl Rove!

Levin can be nauseating, but he is right to point out Rove's poison.


Obama didn't win because Romney couldn't compete with free stuff. Romney lost because many Christians refused to vote for the Mormon. Romney lost because he was unable to connect with many Americans.

Historically speaking, this election was Romney's to lose, and he did.

His quote about 47% of Americans was the epitome of political asininity, and it gave America a glimpse of the real Mitt-- a politician that appeared to not care for almost half of the country!

It was IMPOSSIBLE to put any lipstick on that pig!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Mark levin's newest "enemy" is Karl Rove!

Levin can be nauseating, but he is right to point out Rove's poison.


Obama didn't win because Romney couldn't compete with free stuff. Romney lost because many Christians refused to vote for the Mormon. Romney lost because he was unable to connect with many Americans.

Historically speaking, this election was Romney's to lose, and he did.

His quote about 47% of Americans was the epitome of political asininity, and it gave America a glimpse of the real Mitt-- a politician that appeared to not care for almost half of the country!

It was IMPOSSIBLE to put any lipstick on that pig!

He was wrong on the 47%, it is 51%, and to ignore the fact that those that depend on government will vote with the Demos 100% is to deny the facts. Romney was demonize by the media as a radical, and he is nothing of the sort. He is a rich conversative American that know how to do business in a profitable way, something DC could use alot of, and his Mormon values are much closer to those on this forum than the "Christian" we have in the house. Mark Levin make a living with shock radio, doomsdayer!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by crakjak

He was wrong on the 47%, it is 51%, and to ignore the fact that those that depend on government will vote with the Demos 100% is to deny the facts. Romney was demonize by the media as a radical, and he is nothing of the sort. He is a rich conversative American that know how to do business in a profitable way, something DC could use alot of, and his Mormon values are much closer to those on this forum than the "Christian" we have in the house. Mark Levin make a living with shock radio, doomsdayer!

Your percentage points are wrong.
His (possibly yours) attitude towards Americans are wrong, which is one of many reasons why he lost.

Had Obama ACTUALLY BELITTLED half of the country, it would be another example of his disrespect for America and why he's not really an American citizen!

Romney insults (with something that's not even true) half of the country, but he's an unsung hero.

Give me a break!


Furthermore, mormonism is a CLEAR abomination in the sneakiest way-- and you want everyday Christians to just ignore that and vote for him, when the Republican party has spent years and millions of dollars presenting candidates that are, at the bare minimum, Christian on the outside. What you want and what the Republican party asked American Christians to do was non-sensical.

We're not that FLAKY when it comes to our religion and politics.

How much time, money, and energy did some political junkies on the right go through to present Obama as a non-Christian-- as a Muslim-- when Obama at least attended a church that embraced the major tenets of Christianity, a church that would be considered flawed, but not a cult or an abomination?

Mormonism is about as anti-Christ as you can get-- talk about satan appearing as an angel of light! But American Christians should have voted for him anyway! That argument is ludicrous, ESPECIALLY in light of the GOP's efforts to woo our vote for the last 30 years or so!

Seriously, I am almost convinced that "the powers that be" never wanted a Republican to replace Obama for his 2nd term in the first place-- which is why the GOP presented an ABOMINABLE, out-of-touch, plastic "conservative" from Massachussetts as the Republican solution for America!

The crazy thing is, with history in mind, ANY REPUBLICAN but Romney probably would have beat Obama.


Want to see Romney's commitment to America?
The luxury car that he bought for himself after he lost the election was manufactured in the Czech Republic.
His heart was NEVER for the Presidency and probably never for America to begin with.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Your percentage points are wrong.
His (possibly yours) attitude towards Americans are wrong, which is one of many reasons why he lost.

Had Obama ACTUALLY BELITTLED half of the country, it would be another example of his disrespect for America and why he's not really an American citizen!

Romney insults (with something that's not even true) half of the country, but he's an unsung hero.

Give me a break!

Mitt Romney's "plan" was for self-deportation. He also went after Mensa contender Rick Perry for educating "illegals" in his state. But then went on Univision with a dark bronze tan to address Spanish speakers.

Mitt who?

http://www.dailyworld.com/article/20...nclick_check=1

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Your percentage points are wrong.
His (possibly yours) attitude towards Americans are wrong, which is one of many reasons why he lost.

Had Obama ACTUALLY BELITTLED half of the country, it would be another example of his disrespect for America and why he's not really an American citizen!

Romney insults (with something that's not even true) half of the country, but he's an unsung hero.

Give me a break!


Furthermore, mormonism is a CLEAR abomination in the sneakiest way-- and you want everyday Christians to just ignore that and vote for him, when the Republican party has spent years and millions of dollars presenting candidates that are, at the bare minimum, Christian on the outside. What you want and what the Republican party asked American Christians to do was non-sensical.

We're not that FLAKY when it comes to our religion and politics.

How much time, money, and energy did some political junkies on the right go through to present Obama as a non-Christian-- as a Muslim-- when Obama at least attended a church that embraced the major tenets of Christianity, a church that would be considered flawed, but not a cult or an abomination?

Mormonism is about as anti-Christ as you can get-- talk about satan appearing as an angel of light! But American Christians should have voted for him anyway! That argument is ludicrous, ESPECIALLY in light of the GOP's efforts to woo our vote for the last 30 years or so!

Seriously, I am almost convinced that "the powers that be" never wanted a Republican to replace Obama for his 2nd term in the first place-- which is why the GOP presented an ABOMINABLE, out-of-touch, plastic "conservative" from Massachussetts as the Republican solution for America!

The crazy thing is, with history in mind, ANY REPUBLICAN but Romney probably would have beat Obama.


Want to see Romney's commitment to America?
The luxury car that he bought for himself after he lost the election was manufactured in the Czech Republic.
His heart was NEVER for the Presidency and probably never for America to begin with.

I disagree with you on so many levels, I will just let you be.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Your percentage points are wrong.
His (possibly yours) attitude towards Americans are wrong, which is one of many reasons why he lost.

Had Obama ACTUALLY BELITTLED half of the country, it would be another example of his disrespect for America and why he's not really an American citizen!

Romney insults (with something that's not even true) half of the country, but he's an unsung hero.

Give me a break!


Furthermore, mormonism is a CLEAR abomination in the sneakiest way-- and you want everyday Christians to just ignore that and vote for him, when the Republican party has spent years and millions of dollars presenting candidates that are, at the bare minimum, Christian on the outside. What you want and what the Republican party asked American Christians to do was non-sensical.

We're not that FLAKY when it comes to our religion and politics.

How much time, money, and energy did some political junkies on the right go through to present Obama as a non-Christian-- as a Muslim-- when Obama at least attended a church that embraced the major tenets of Christianity, a church that would be considered flawed, but not a cult or an abomination?

Mormonism is about as anti-Christ as you can get-- talk about satan appearing as an angel of light! But American Christians should have voted for him anyway! That argument is ludicrous, ESPECIALLY in light of the GOP's efforts to woo our vote for the last 30 years or so!

Seriously, I am almost convinced that "the powers that be" never wanted a Republican to replace Obama for his 2nd term in the first place-- which is why the GOP presented an ABOMINABLE, out-of-touch, plastic "conservative" from Massachussetts as the Republican solution for America!

The crazy thing is, with history in mind, ANY REPUBLICAN but Romney probably would have beat Obama.


Want to see Romney's commitment to America?
The luxury car that he bought for himself after he lost the election was manufactured in the Czech Republic.
His heart was NEVER for the Presidency and probably never for America to begin with.

I disagree with pretty much everything you said.

The only reason I believe he won is because God allowed him to for America to come to her knees.

Jmo

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Mark levin's newest "enemy" is Karl Rove!

Levin can be nauseating, but he is right to point out Rove's poison.


Obama didn't win because Romney couldn't compete with free stuff. Romney lost because many Christians refused to vote for the Mormon. Romney lost because he was unable to connect with many Americans.

Historically speaking, this election was Romney's to lose, and he did.

His quote about 47% of Americans was the epitome of political asininity, and it gave America a glimpse of the real Mitt-- a politician that appeared to not care for almost half of the country!

It was IMPOSSIBLE to put any lipstick on that pig!

His comment on the 47% was truth. And the truth hurts!

Too many takers in America today.