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[CC1]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

If somebody should know the truth of Mateo 28:19 should be this next person.
No other other person in this planet is a greater authority in this matter than him and if you do not believe him, then you will not believe anyone else.

Here it is read below.

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.

I am curious where you got this quote from. Can you cite your reference?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by CC1

I am curious where you got this quote from. Can you cite your reference?

The original quote was not about Mat 28:19 it was about the origin of the Apostles Creed in relation to baptism.

In fact he asserts the Apostles Creed on baptism was fundamentally based on what Jesus said in Mat 28:19 and he then quotes it.

Read here
http://books.google.com/books?id=LJl...rse%22&f=false

[Praxeas]

Someone dishonestly put "Mat 28:19" in parentheses to distort what the man said and then people like the ones here simply regurgitated it

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Someone dishonestly put "Mat 28:19" in parentheses to distort what the man said and then people like the ones here simply regurgitated it

If you want to keep on defending the trinity be my guest.

Here is my last quote of where I got my information, I truly believe this person that I am quoting is correct, perhaps you don't.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the 3rd day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name {Jesus} among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

I really hope you really believe this one person.

that is it that is my last witness.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

If you want to keep on defending the trinity be my guest.

Here is my last quote of where I got my information, I truly believe this person that I am quoting is correct, perhaps you don't.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the 3rd day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name {Jesus} among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

I really hope you really believe this one person.

that is it that is my last witness.

I can't force you to be honest.

BTW you were the one putting your faith in the Pope...a Trinitarian...not me.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The original quote was not about Mat 28:19 it was about the origin of the Apostles Creed in relation to baptism.

In fact he asserts the Apostles Creed on baptism was fundamentally based on what Jesus said in Mat 28:19 and he then quotes it.

Read here
http://books.google.com/books?id=LJl...rse%22&f=false

OK I finally got a chance to read this part of Joseph Ratzinger from his actual book

This was my original quotation that I got wrong and will be deleted from the next edition of "The Holy Apostolic New Testament"

The following quote is incorrect.
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.

In here he was really talking about the creed of the Apostles in connection with Baptism, not about baptism itself and perhaps someone got confused on that matter, when they quoted him. ( I would like to give that person the benefit of the doubt, instead of accusing that person of purposely misquoting the Cardinal)

One honest mistake does not negate the whole premise of all the other arguments.

In a way I am happy that this Apostolic version is so attacked for it only forces us to do more research and this will only make our case even stronger for the next edition.
We are still accumulating more material and biblical arguments for our position that Matthew 28:19 as it currently reads is spurious, we will add more arguments and even more material supporting our position in our next edition.

in his name