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02-28-2013, 04:27 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I always hated that...when "standards" were preached and not one verse is quoted
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that is exactly what happened last night!!!!
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02-28-2013, 04:28 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
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If standards are true should they be taught from the word?
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I think so, and if it isn't being taught from the word does it then become a lie?
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02-28-2013, 04:33 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
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Originally Posted by PreacherME
lets see.....when you are told to uphold standards or you are going to hell for more than 40 years, you tend to think that there is a lie somewhere and it is easy to be disillusioned by what you believe( especially when you feel like you have no strong scripture to back it up with)
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Ok, let me ask you this. Do you believe everything the church preaches has to be straight from the bible, or do you believe the god has given the pastor authority to tell the church not to do certain things that are not in the bible so long as they are within reason?
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02-28-2013, 04:50 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
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Originally Posted by PreacherME
hi, I am a licensed minister within the UPC And I have been Apostolic all my life. (3rd generation)
Last night my pastor preached about holiness without giving real scripture. This is quite confusing because I am not versed in the matters of holiness and I do not know how to give answers concerning holiness without hemming and hawwing.
Anyway, my pastor goes on to say that if you believe the lie that charismatics believe you will end up in hell. Well, I was wondering , what if believing in the ideas of holiness as the UPCI puts it is a lie? Would that not send one to hell as well?
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What is the lie Charismatics believe? If you are a UPC Minister Im surprised you were not trained in "standards". Holiness is the entire separation of ones life to the Lord Jesus Christ.
His "standard" is "Be perfect even as the Father in Heaven is perfect". Whatever is taught in the New Testament applies to the saints. A great part of Christian living is to be "pure in heart".
Heart issues are much more wrenching to deal with than dress issues. That does not mean there are no dress issues. Just stay with the New Testament. When they teach from the OT and it is accepted then to be consistent we would have to put ourselves under ANYTHING in the law of Moses.
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02-28-2013, 05:04 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
Fake. He is a LICENSED minister and doesn't know which verses to take out of context?
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02-28-2013, 05:08 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
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Fake. He is a LICENSED minister and doesn't know which verses to take out of context?
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The scriptures are pretty standard, no pun intended, they don't change and everyone knows them. I agree - FAKE!
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02-28-2013, 05:44 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
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Originally Posted by PreacherME
hi, I am a licensed minister within the UPC And I have been Apostolic all my life. (3rd generation)
Last night my pastor preached about holiness without giving real scripture. This is quite confusing because I am not versed in the matters of holiness and I do not know how to give answers concerning holiness without hemming and hawwing.
Anyway, my pastor goes on to say that if you believe the lie that charismatics believe you will end up in hell. Well, I was wondering , what if believing in the ideas of holiness as the UPCI puts it is a lie? Would that not send one to hell as well?
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You're a licensed minister and you are NOT versed in matters of holiness?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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02-28-2013, 05:50 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
1 Peter 1:13-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance;
15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
1 Peter 2:9
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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02-28-2013, 06:07 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
The scriptures are pretty standard, no pun intended, they don't change and everyone knows them. I agree - FAKE!
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02-28-2013, 07:32 PM
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Re: Beleiving in a Lie
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Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath
Ok, let me ask you this. Do you believe everything the church preaches has to be straight from the bible, or do you believe the god has given the pastor authority to tell the church not to do certain things that are not in the bible so long as they are within reason?
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ABSOLUTLY NOT!!! God has laid down ALL that we need in His Word, if someone is preaching something that isnt in there then they need to check themselves! God dosn't tell one person something is a sin and not another person. Sin is sin across the board and God isn't giving out new revelation daily!!! For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven. Psalm 119:89
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