Disturbing hair story

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Cutlets

I do agree with you Sis. Ronni. I quoted your statement but wasn't directing my comment at you.

I don't believe the Holy Hair thing myself. My whole point was about the passage in Corin. from which this debate is derived. And I still maintain that the opposing side has not a Scriptures come back.

bless ya right back

Emotional topic indeed.

If many of the holiness standards were viewed as consecrations; maybe there would be more respect from both sides of the fence.

Many standards are like vows or fas-tings unto Jesus and I am sure he is blessed and blesses those that do.

And kudos to those that do!

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Emotional topic indeed.

If many of the holiness standards were viewed as consecrations; maybe there would be more respect from both sides of the fence.

Many standards are like vows or fas-tings unto Jesus and I am sure he is blessed and blesses those that do.

And kudos to those that do!

good point cropper

[MissBrattified]

*sigh*

While I don't believe that having uncut hair is our ticket to all-power-with-God, I do hesitate to deny someone else's experience.

What I believe is that obedience and submission to God results in power and favor with God, and of course men can do that as well as women. Unfortunately when the power of God shows up, some women assume (because of what they've been taught) that the power is there because of their long hair (which could be in indirect source, depending on what you believe, and your submission to God accordingly).

The point being: Whether the woman is wrong about a point of doctrine or not does not mean that she is wrong about the power of God being in the room. She could be misdiagnosing the reason.

I've seen God show up and heal folks and fill people with the Holy Ghost and do all sorts of wonderful things in churches where the doctrine was WAY off. *shrug* Ask Him why.

I feel very uncomfortable analyzing, critiquing, questioning or denying someone else's experience with the power of God. I'd much rather discuss this topic from a more generic point of view. There are a lot of faithful, godly, powerful, anointed women who wear their hair long simply because they believe its the right thing to do in obedience to God, and I do believe that submission and that consecration does translate into favor and blessing from God in many cases. I just don't think it has to do with hair in particular so much as a consecrated life in general, and men are just as capable as women of devoting their lives in such a manner.

I don't think we can say that because we believe the doctrine may be erroneous that the experience must be false, and her account is scary or creepy...I think that is a huge overreaction. To me, that would be like discounting every powerful experience held by any trinitarian as false, simply because their doctrine is erroneous. I believe many people, right or wrong, have had powerful, meaningful, even miraculous experiences with God, that defy reason, and defy the boundaries we place on what is possible. How the person perceives and interprets that experience is impossible to predict.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

*sigh*

While I don't believe that having uncut hair is our ticket to all-power-with-God, I do hesitate to deny someone else's experience.

What I believe is that obedience and submission to God results in power and favor with God, and of course men can do that as well as women. Unfortunately when the power of God shows up, some women assume (because of what they've been taught) that the power is there because of their long hair (which could be in indirect source, depending on what you believe, and your submission to God accordingly).

The point being: Whether the woman is wrong about a point of doctrine or not does not mean that she is wrong about the power of God being in the room. She could be misdiagnosing the reason.

I've seen God show up and heal folks and fill people with the Holy Ghost and do all sorts of wonderful things in churches where the doctrine was WAY off. *shrug* Ask Him why.

I feel very uncomfortable analyzing, critiquing, questioning or denying someone else's experience with the power of God. I'd much rather discuss this topic from a more generic point of view. There are a lot of faithful, godly, powerful, anointed women who wear their hair long simply because they believe its the right thing to do in obedience to God, and I do believe that submission and that consecration does translate into favor and blessing from God in many cases. I just don't think it has to do with hair in particular so much as a consecrated life in general, and men are just as capable as women of devoting their lives in such a manner.

I don't think we can say that because we believe the doctrine may be erroneous that the experience must be false, and her account is scary or creepy...I think that is a huge overreaction. To me, that would be like discounting every powerful experience held by any trinitarian as false, simply because their doctrine is erroneous. I believe many people, right or wrong, have had powerful, meaningful, even miraculous experiences with God, that defy reason, and defy the boundaries we place on what is possible. How the person perceives and interprets that experience is impossible to predict.

Good post overall Abigail.

Misdiagnosing the reason indeed! The power of God could have been present but the understanding of why -- if it's being attributed to hair length is way off.

The way you believe about something can affect how you interpret what is happening around you.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

*sigh*

While I don't believe that having uncut hair is our ticket to all-power-with-God, I do hesitate to deny someone else's experience.

What I believe is that obedience and submission to God results in power and favor with God, and of course men can do that as well as women. Unfortunately when the power of God shows up, some women assume (because of what they've been taught) that the power is there because of their long hair (which could be in indirect source, depending on what you believe, and your submission to God accordingly).

The point being: Whether the woman is wrong about a point of doctrine or not does not mean that she is wrong about the power of God being in the room. She could be misdiagnosing the reason.

I've seen God show up and heal folks and fill people with the Holy Ghost and do all sorts of wonderful things in churches where the doctrine was WAY off. *shrug* Ask Him why.

I feel very uncomfortable analyzing, critiquing, questioning or denying someone else's experience with the power of God. I'd much rather discuss this topic from a more generic point of view. There are a lot of faithful, godly, powerful, anointed women who wear their hair long simply because they believe its the right thing to do in obedience to God, and I do believe that submission and that consecration does translate into favor and blessing from God in many cases. I just don't think it has to do with hair in particular so much as a consecrated life in general, and men are just as capable as women of devoting their lives in such a manner.

I don't think we can say that because we believe the doctrine may be erroneous that the experience must be false, and her account is scary or creepy...I think that is a huge overreaction. To me, that would be like discounting every powerful experience held by any trinitarian as false, simply because their doctrine is erroneous. I believe many people, right or wrong, have had powerful, meaningful, even miraculous experiences with God, that defy reason, and defy the boundaries we place on what is possible. How the person perceives and interprets that experience is impossible to predict.

I agree 100% with most of your post. It is only in the last paragrpah that we differ at all. I do think it is scary and creepy and even more when people are being erroneously taught to give "credit" to their hair for God's power showing up. If this path keeps being excused on the grounds that these people are "goodhearted" then OP's are doomed to a path of cultism for sure.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by CC1

I agree 100% with most of your post. It is only in the last paragrpah that we differ at all. I do think it is scary and creepy and even more when people are being erroneously taught to give "credit" to their hair for God's power showing up. If this path keeps being excused on the grounds that these people are "goodhearted" then OP's are doomed to a path of cultism for sure.

Of course all on here know that do NOT accept the 'magic hair' theory. However why would it be so strange that the Lord would bless these ladies personal consecration? There is NOT a person on this forum who has experienced the wonderful moving of the presence of the Lord that would like someone to lable them gullible or ignorant. When it happens it happens. How many services have you been in when it filled the buildings sometimes very unexpected but so real. This happened to these ladies NO it does not vindicated the teaching to the world but evidently it was a witness to this young lady seeking direction in that service. Are you saying God would not bless a personal consecration in a service. Although I believe the hair issue is Biblical and mandated on every woman who is to be raptured, there are issues that are personal in nature to me that I would not expect the world to do but I have been blessed and felt His presence nearer because of the consecrations I have made.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

*sigh*

While I don't believe that having uncut hair is our ticket to all-power-with-God, I do hesitate to deny someone else's experience.

What I believe is that obedience and submission to God results in power and favor with God, and of course men can do that as well as women. Unfortunately when the power of God shows up, some women assume (because of what they've been taught) that the power is there because of their long hair (which could be in indirect source, depending on what you believe, and your submission to God accordingly).

The point being: Whether the woman is wrong about a point of doctrine or not does not mean that she is wrong about the power of God being in the room. She could be misdiagnosing the reason.

I've seen God show up and heal folks and fill people with the Holy Ghost and do all sorts of wonderful things in churches where the doctrine was WAY off. *shrug* Ask Him why.

I feel very uncomfortable analyzing, critiquing, questioning or denying someone else's experience with the power of God. I'd much rather discuss this topic from a more generic point of view. There are a lot of faithful, godly, powerful, anointed women who wear their hair long simply because they believe its the right thing to do in obedience to God, and I do believe that submission and that consecration does translate into favor and blessing from God in many cases. I just don't think it has to do with hair in particular so much as a consecrated life in general, and men are just as capable as women of devoting their lives in such a manner.

I don't think we can say that because we believe the doctrine may be erroneous that the experience must be false, and her account is scary or creepy...I think that is a huge overreaction. To me, that would be like discounting every powerful experience held by any trinitarian as false, simply because their doctrine is erroneous. I believe many people, right or wrong, have had powerful, meaningful, even miraculous experiences with God, that defy reason, and defy the boundaries we place on what is possible. How the person perceives and interprets that experience is impossible to predict.

I'm sure Uzzah's heart was in the right place when he touched the cart on which the Ark of the Covenant was being transported to Jerusalem. Yet God still struck him dead! So, are you sure you want to go with that kind of "if the heart is right the action/belief is right" attitude?