Christians and how they make everything...

[LifeUncommon]

We don't know the eternal destination of anyone, whether heaven or hell. To assume the status of their salvation or whether they they are "living for god" is a dangerous path to travel.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by LifeUncommon

We don't know the eternal destination of anyone, whether heaven or hell. To assume the status of their salvation or whether they they are "living for god" is a dangerous path to travel.

Oh really? Paul said if anyone calls themselves a "brother" we are to judge.

1 Cor. 5:9-13

5:9 I wrote to you in my letter to have no company with sexual sinners; 5:10 yet not at all meaning with the sexual sinners of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then you would have to leave the world. 5:11 But as it is, I wrote to you not to associate with anyone who is called a brother who is a sexual sinner, or covetous, or an idolater, or a slanderer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner. Don’t even eat with such a person. 5:12 For what have I to do with also judging those who are outside? Don’t you judge those who are within? 5:13 But those who are outside, God judges.


God wants everyone clear about who will NOT be in the kingdom.

Oh those judgmental Apostles! They just keep messing up our theology!

1 Cor. 6:9-10

6:9 Or don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.

Honestly this "Protestant Evangelical" doctrine is ALMOST as bad as Universalism! Everyone and anyone can live in sin up to the last minute, then say "Jesus I accept you as my Savior on their deathbed and on that day enter into Heavens Gates!

In this faith you could never say ANYONE died lost. For all we know Chavez anyone at death could whisper this prayer with their last breath and ... THERE IT IS! Heaven!

Oh but TO ASSUME someone might not be right with God NOW THAT is a dangerous path to be on!

Funny I thought the DANGEROUS PATH was for someone be walking in sin?

[Dordrecht]

The Bible says, you shall know them by their fruits.

If the fruits are bad, you can pretty well say
that a person is not a Christian.

However...... you never know what happened in the
last hour of their lives.
They could have repented sincerely and called upon
the name of the Lord.
That would mean they are saved if they did.

Yes, yes, you die hard UPCI'ers, I know, you would say they need
to be speaking in tongues and be baptized in water in order to be saved.
But I don't believe that way. So there!

It's God's desire that ALL be saved, thats why it says in His Word
that all who call upon His name will be saved.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

The Bible says, you shall know them by their fruits.

If the fruits are bad, you can pretty well say
that a person is not a Christian.

However...... you never know what happened in the
last hour of their lives.
They could have repented sincerely and called upon
the name of the Lord.
That would mean they are saved if they did.

Yes, yes, you die hard UPCI'ers, I know, you would say they need
to be speaking in tongues and be baptized in water in order to be saved.
But I don't believe that way. So there!

It's God's desire that ALL be saved, thats why it says in His Word
that all who call upon His name will be saved.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

The Bible says, you shall know them by their fruits.

If the fruits are bad, you can pretty well say
that a person is not a Christian.

However...... you never know what happened in the
last hour of their lives.
They could have repented sincerely and called upon
the name of the Lord.
That would mean they are saved if they did.

Yes, yes, you die hard UPCI'ers, I know, you would say they need
to be speaking in tongues and be baptized in water in order to be saved.
But I don't believe that way. So there!

It's God's desire that ALL be saved, thats why it says in His Word
that all who call upon His name will be saved.

Luke 5:32 with Apostolic rewrite

32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance and to be Baptized in My Name and to speak in Tongues

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Luke 5:32 with Apostolic rewrite

32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance and to be Baptized in My Name and to speak in Tongues

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This is what Luke 5:32 says, Navygoat:

King James Version (KJV)
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Navygoat, you added to that scripture!
You always "rewrite" scripture to back up your case?

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

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This is what Luke 5:32 says, Navygoat:

King James Version (KJV)
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Navygoat, you added to that scripture!
You always "rewrite" scripture to back up your case?

I am just trying to fit in with in the scripture twisters

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

The Bible says, you shall know them by their fruits.

If the fruits are bad, you can pretty well say
that a person is not a Christian.

However...... you never know what happened in the
last hour of their lives.
They could have repented sincerely and called upon
the name of the Lord.
That would mean they are saved if they did.

Yes, yes, you die hard UPCI'ers, I know, you would say they need
to be speaking in tongues and be baptized in water in order to be saved.
But I don't believe that way. So there!

It's God's desire that ALL be saved, thats why it says in His Word
that all who call upon His name will be saved.

Die Hard UPC? LOL! As if we have to go to a UPC Church to understand the doctrine of Christ. I have been in UPC Churches at tops 15-20 times.

Yet I would would say UPC in general is probably farther along than your typical Protestant Evangelical group.

[jen4yeshua]

Originally Posted by LifeUncommon

We don't know the eternal destination of anyone, whether heaven or hell. To assume the status of their salvation or whether they they are "living for god" is a dangerous path to travel.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by LifeUncommon

We don't know the eternal destination of anyone, whether heaven or hell. To assume the status of their salvation or whether they they are "living for god" is a dangerous path to travel.

Oh stop it! We are talking about blantant stuff that is not even questionable that people say and know. This is about the position THAT THEY ARE AND PEOPLE DO WHAT I SAID ALL THE TIME! Also this is more about what people BELIEVE and then do JUST the opposite of what they believe and say things that are contradictive to be nice. In part yes we don't know a persons destiny though we may have a good idea of their destiny BUT the ISSUE is people SAYING THEY ARE is just as BAD as saying THEY ARE NOT in heaven. Somehow everyone makes it WRONG to judge someone NEGATIVELY and not POSTIVELY. You still are bearing false witness. Espcially when everyone knows pregnant lady is inconsistent with things. Then her boyfriend and her break up and she goes. Wow you really never know somone until you live with them. YET YOU JUST SAID IT WAS ALL GOD THAT brought about a bastard child, sex outside of marriage all the while claiming God leading your life and thanking him for THIS blessing. Oh yeah... makes sense while OTHER CHRISTIANS support this speaking nothing but how God is blessing you while still in sin. PATHETIC! The whole LOVE IS ALWAYS positive is a lie. Love might not say something but love does not sit there and bear false witness while lacking knowledge and claiming someone in heaven or supporting someones thought process that God is leading their life and calling results of sin a blessings directed by God.