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Old 03-11-2013, 12:33 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?

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Was is customary to offer ten percent of the war spoils to local kings? I believe so, and here's my reasoning as to why this giving of ten percent was a custom.



Please pay special attention We read in Genesis 14:17,18,20,21-

17)... the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh

18) Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine.

20) ..... Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

21) The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the people and keep the goods for yourself.”


Notice, the king of Sodom (King Bera) and king of Salem (Preist/King Melchizedek) came out to meet Abraham after the war (Gen 14:17-18). It was only after that Abraham offered a tenth of the spoils of the war. Abraham's ten percent offering was directed to both kings.

What does Genesis 14:21 read above? It reads the "king of Sodom" didn't want partial of the spoils! What did the king of Sodom say to Abraham, "give me the people" and "keep the goods." The king of Sodom wanted the people rather than the customary ten percent. This is proof that Abraham was fulfilling a custom. Furthermore, Abraham offered spoils to both, and it was only King Bera that complained, he said, give me the people and keep the goods.



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You are talking scripture out of context and avoiding the pertinent information which I detailed in several posts that shows he was tithing to a priest.

Second it does NOT say the King didn't want a tenth. It says Abraham gave him a tenth THEN of the possessions that belonged to the King of Salem the king said Abraham could keep what he recovered except the persons and Abraham refused to take it.

You are confusing two different sets of circumstances because you are talking scripture out of context

It does NOT say Abraham gave a tenth to both kings

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of God Most High.)
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth;
Gen 14:20 and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!" And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

HIM not THEM. It was NOT directed to both kings but ONE King. Gen 14 tells us that. Hebrews 7 confirms.

Scripture out of context is pretext. READ THE CONTEXT ALWAYS

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of God Most High.)
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth;
Gen 14:20 and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!" And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
Gen 14:21 And the king of Sodom said to Abram, "Give me the persons, but take the goods for yourself."
Gen 14:22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, "I have lifted my hand to the LORD, God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen 14:23 that I would not take a thread or a sandal strap or anything that is yours, lest you should say, 'I have made Abram rich.'

When you read the context way way back you find that the king Abraham defeated had taken the possessions of Lot and the king of Sodom and the king was speaking of those possessions that belonged to him

Gen 14:11 So the enemy took all the possessions of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their provisions, and went their way.

Abraham was returning the goods and the people and the King of Sodom was thankful enough to let Abraham keep the goods

Two different events. King of Salem/Tithe. King of Sodom, return of goods
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?

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You are talking scripture out of context and avoiding the pertinent information which I detailed in several posts that shows he was tithing to a priest.

Second it does NOT say the King didn't want a tenth. It says Abraham gave him a tenth THEN of the possessions that belonged to the King of Salem the king said Abraham could keep what he recovered except the persons and Abraham refused to take it.

You are confusing two different sets of circumstances because you are talking scripture out of context

It does NOT say Abraham gave a tenth to both kings

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of God Most High.)
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth;
Gen 14:20 and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!" And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

HIM not THEM. It was NOT directed to both kings but ONE King. Gen 14 tells us that. Hebrews 7 confirms.

Scripture out of context is pretext. READ THE CONTEXT ALWAYS

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of God Most High.)
Gen 14:19 And he blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth;
Gen 14:20 and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!" And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
Gen 14:21 And the king of Sodom said to Abram, "Give me the persons, but take the goods for yourself."
Gen 14:22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, "I have lifted my hand to the LORD, God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth,
Gen 14:23 that I would not take a thread or a sandal strap or anything that is yours, lest you should say, 'I have made Abram rich.'

When you read the context way way back you find that the king Abraham defeated had taken the possessions of Lot and the king of Sodom and the king was speaking of those possessions that belonged to him

Gen 14:11 So the enemy took all the possessions of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their provisions, and went their way.

Abraham was returning the goods and the people and the King of Sodom was thankful enough to let Abraham keep the goods

Two different events. King of Salem/Tithe. King of Sodom, return of goods
Praxeas,

Did Abraham tithe from the spoils of war or his personal property?

Did Abraham follow proper tithing procedures required under the Mosaic Law when tithing to Melchizedek?

Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek, did it support a Levitical priesthood?


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Praxeas,

Did Abraham tithe from the spoils of war or his personal property?

Did Abraham follow proper tithing procedures required under the Mosaic Law when tithing to Melchizedek?

Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek, did it support a Levitical priesthood?


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Jacob's Ladder
I doubt Abraham took all his possessions to a war. So I believe it was his possessions
from the war

This was before the law. We are not under law nor was Abraham.

His tithe went to a priest of God before there was a levitical priesthood.

As I said, tithing predates the law
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