Disturbing hair story

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

With some qualifiers, we could find agreement.

My point is that the "water and Spirit" teaching gives rise to an error in emphasis, away from Christ and to our experience. This is what Professor Fudge was pointing out in his purposely provocative book title.

When a person believes that their salvation is based on their obedience, it is just a hop, skip, and a jump to believing that they can merit God's favour by hair length.

Error in emphasis begets error in emphasis.

Maple Leaf it has been MY experience and we can only judge personally from that; Calvary-the blood-redemption-the supreme sacrifice-incarnation-resurrection-the atonement-has been the theme of the preaching I have heard all my life. It is the core of my preaching and the preaching I hear on a normal basis. When a sinner comes I preach about God's love proven at Calvary and the redemtvie blood that is the only prescription that will heal man's sick soul however it takes place in this dispensation in obeying the gospel thus Acts 2:38. The blood purchased that-Calvary made provision for that-my wonderment is why we would believe it would offend God with what He provided? Our salvation is ultimately based on OUR acceptance and obedience to the gospel not in a void of Calvary but BECAUSE of Calvary. God is NOT saying mankind WITHOUT HIS COPERATION! He is not just bestowing salvation on the masses without their obedience. God has done His part which is about 99% of the deal why think it is strange for man to do his 1%?

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Maple Leaf it has been MY experience and we can only judge personally from that; Calvary-the blood-redemption-the supreme sacrifice-incarnation-resurrection-the atonement-has been the theme of the preaching I have heard all my life. It is the core of my preaching and the preaching I hear on a normal basis. When a sinner comes I preach about God's love proven at Calvary and the redemtvie blood that is the only prescription that will heal man's sick soul however it takes place in this dispensation in obeying the gospel thus Acts 2:38. The blood purchased that-Calvary made provision for that-my wonderment is why we would believe it would offend God with what He provided? Our salvation is ultimately based on OUR acceptance and obedience to the gospel not in a void of Calvary but BECAUSE of Calvary. God is NOT saying mankind WITHOUT HIS COPERATION! He is not just bestowing salvation on the masses without their obedience. God has done His part which is about 99% of the deal why think it is strange for man to do his 1%?

Excellent comments Pastor Epley. (Again, I would have to add some qualifiers for complete agreement.)

My hope is that every preacher would join you in making the Cross a focus of their preaching.

My concern is that the rank and file are joining with Sis. Rhoni in the confession that their salvation is based on my . . . . Faith that looks to the altar and the water is misplaced, in my opinion.

I am afraid that many Oneness Pentecostals would answer the proverbial question, "Why would God allow you into Heaven?" much different than the Apostle Paul.

Our faith must be based on His work, not our own.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Excellent comments Pastor Epley. (Again, I would have to add some qualifiers for complete agreement.)

My hope is that every preacher would join you in making the Cross a focus of their preaching.

My concern is that the rank and file are joining with Sis. Rhoni in the confession that their salvation is based on my . . . . Faith that looks to the altar and the water is misplaced, in my opinion.

I am afraid that many Oneness Pentecostals would answer the proverbial question, "Why would God allow you into Heaven?" much different than the Apostle Paul.

Our faith must be based on His work, not our own.

Huh? What? Your premise is locked in works.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Huh? What? Your premise is locked in works.

Brother Neckstadt

I apologize for not being able to give an answer to your post.

I've no idea at all what you're trying to say.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Brother Neckstadt

I apologize for not being able to give an answer to your post.

I've no idea at all what you're trying to say.

You spoke salvation is tied to his works. The premise of Long hair as a mandate is tied to the works of a woman.

Thus salvation would be tied to her works and not Gods working...

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

You spoke salvation is tied to his works. The premise of Long hair as a mandate is tied to the works of a woman.

Thus salvation would be tied to her works and not Gods working...

His work is the basis of our salvation.

Salvation is the basis of our good works.

All of God's people should be zealous of good works.

If the Scriptures require a woman to keep her hair uncut, then, every saved woman should have uncut hair.

If the Scriptures do not require a woman to keep her hair uncut, then, it is of no consequence before God, except as a condition of membership in a religious community.

You'll have to decide for yourself whether or not your Bible or your faith community requires uncut hair.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

His work is the basis of our salvation.

Salvation is the basis of our good works.

All of God's people should be zealous of good works.

If the Scriptures require a woman to keep her hair uncut, then, every saved woman should have uncut hair.

If the Scriptures do not require a woman to keep her hair uncut, then, it is of no consequence before God, except as a condition of membership in a religious community.

You'll have to decide for yourself whether or not your Bible or your faith community requires uncut hair.

I walk in the community of both cut and uncut hair.

It has nothing to do with salvation.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

His work is the basis of our salvation.

Salvation is the basis of our good works.

All of God's people should be zealous of good works.

If the Scriptures require a woman to keep her hair uncut, then, every saved woman should have uncut hair.

If the Scriptures do not require a woman to keep her hair uncut, then, it is of no consequence before God, except as a condition of membership in a religious community.

You'll have to decide for yourself whether or not your Bible or your faith community requires uncut hair.

Sorry the community did NOT inspire Paul to write 1Cor. 11 God did and it is not up for vote. But I am of the community that believes the Bible should be our guide and not culture or popular opinion.

[Glenda B]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

His work is the basis of our salvation.

Salvation is the basis of our good works.

All of God's people should be zealous of good works.

If the Scriptures require a woman to keep her hair uncut, then, every saved woman should have uncut hair.

If the Scriptures do not require a woman to keep her hair uncut, then, it is of no consequence before God, except as a condition of membership in a religious community.

You'll have to decide for yourself whether or not your Bible or your faith community requires uncut hair.

Apostolic Ladies cutting their hair is an open act of rebellion. Long uncut hair on Ladies is not an option, it is a commandment of God.
Then out of that act of rebellion, we see ladies deliberately attempting to convince other Ladies that they are legalist for obeying this commandment. It is a real shame, for many here once adhered to the uncut hair scripture. If it was wrong to cut ladies hair in the past, it is still wrong today.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Excellent comments Pastor Epley. (Again, I would have to add some qualifiers for complete agreement.)

My hope is that every preacher would join you in making the Cross a focus of their preaching.

My concern is that the rank and file are joining with Sis. Rhoni in the confession that their salvation is based on my . . . . Faith that looks to the altar and the water is misplaced, in my opinion.

I am afraid that many Oneness Pentecostals would answer the proverbial question, "Why would God allow you into Heaven?" much different than the Apostle Paul.

Our faith must be based on His work, not our own.

I would have no argument that if a clear picture is not painted about the THE why then the preaching is very lacking. But my experience has been filled with preaching of the WHY or really the WHO. Redemption is the crux of the salvation story that is why the Tabernacle Plan is so beautiful. Over 700 references in the Bible about the Blood must shout the Blood is the text and theme of redemption's story. When I read the old writings of Oneness pioneers and listen to their songs they penned the BLOOD and REDEMPTION is certainly NOT lacking but exalted. Faith in us will not save but is faith in what His blood provided a bad thing? He purchased it-gave it-commanded it then if a saint rejoices in it then why is it bad. When you praise the gift you are really praising the intelligence and graciousness of the GIVER.