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Old 03-20-2013, 11:57 AM
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Sorry SR. but no matter how much legal talkytalk you use, you cannot undo what has already been done. There are dozens of examples of churches/individuals who have refused gay ceremonies that have been successfully sued.

If a church rents to the public, they will not be able to refuse gay couples. period.

Now if they only provide marriage services/access to their building to MEMBERS of the church, or can prove they only perform marriages to those who are adherants to thier particular set of beliefs, I agree they have legal standing to refuse all others.

but open that door one crack, and rent out to some couple who are not christian, and they will never again be able to refuse a gay couple who wishes to rent from them.

That is simple reality. it has already been established in the courts. I dont care how many law degrees you have.
Sorry, Ferd, I'm not letting you off the hook. You say there are cases, BRING THEM FORWARD. Don't spread rumor without something to BACK IT UP.

Not cake bakers. Not business people. Churches with their own buildings. And yeah, if the church goes into business** by renting to people outside the church, then yeah, there could be a problem. But let's see the cases, OK?


**And if they're renting the building out to non-members, I hope they're complying with all applicable tax laws in declaring the income, etc., etc. I really got tired of having to pay higher property taxes when I lived in Utah because the dominant religion had so much property off the tax rolls.
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Sorry, Ferd, I'm not letting you off the hook. You say there are cases, BRING THEM FORWARD. Don't spread rumor without something to BACK IT UP.

Not cake bakers. Not business people. Churches with their own buildings. And yeah, if the church goes into business** by renting to people outside the church, then yeah, there could be a problem. But let's see the cases, OK?


**And if they're renting the building out to non-members, I hope they're complying with all applicable tax laws in declaring the income, etc., etc. I really got tired of having to pay higher property taxes when I lived in Utah because the dominant religion had so much property off the tax rolls.
so you arent letting me off the hook but you agree with me so I dont need to give you case law.

geez. I think you like to argue to hear yourself.
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