Disturbing hair story

[Brett Prince]

Originally Posted by Newman

BP- Not trying to pick on you; but to better understand where you are coming from....


Where is the benefit? How does uncut hair:

1. Benefit a woman's walk with God?

2. Benefit the church?

3. Benefit society?

4. Benefit the church's witness?

Curious...

Sis...I have answered that 20 times if I have answered it once. You don't agree with me on ANY ONE SINGLE POINT. I still have great respect for you, and value the thoughts you bring to bear on the subject. I have no desire, nor do I have the time to debate this. I just couldn't let the "magic hair" thing pass. It's bogus. I think you agree with me on this.

I will just restate in summary what I have many times said. Long hair on a woman looks more feminine and does not detract from her beauty. It tends away from some of the "gender-mixing" and "outlandish styles" that many of the modern styles bring the bear. (That does not mean that it totally eradicates them.) Our ladies stand out, and the beauty of their hair has a very wonderful attraction--and not just to them in a sensual manner....although long hair can be used that way. I have never seen a woman that I thought looked better with short hair than she did with long. But, I have seen plenty that with their long hair and no makeup, looked better than with short hair AND makeup. That is but a personal opinion, and personal taste. I don't expect agreement in this area.

I think that are ladies are impressive when they do their hair in nice fashion, but not outlandlishly--and I think their dedication to God shines through. My opinion again.

I think that society was much less encumbered with open sin before ladies began to follow after more modern fashions in cutting the hair, and wearing pants. I DO NOT say that this is the cause, but merely a symptom begetting more symptoms. If cut hair and pants were the only issues we had to deal with--then preachers could rest easy. They often seem to run along with more problematic issues--but that is certainly not a rule without NUMEROUS exceptions on both sides of the issue.

Yes--I'm more liberal than most conservatives on this, and more conservative than most "liberals" on this...but I am just stating where I am and where I am coming from.

And, this is not intended to pick back. I appreciate the many debates that you and I have both enjoined--and I am the better for them. Interpreted, if I am not as strict on this issue as I once was--I suppose that Newman can be said to bear part of the blame!!!!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Sis...I have answered that 20 times if I have answered it once. You don't agree with me on ANY ONE SINGLE POINT. I still have great respect for you, and value the thoughts you bring to bear on the subject. I have no desire, nor do I have the time to debate this. I just couldn't let the "magic hair" thing pass. It's bogus. I think you agree with me on this.

I will just restate in summary what I have many times said. Long hair on a woman looks more feminine and does not detract from her beauty. It tends away from some of the "gender-mixing" and "outlandish styles" that many of the modern styles bring the bear. (That does not mean that it totally eradicates them.) Our ladies stand out, and the beauty of their hair has a very wonderful attraction--and not just to them in a sensual manner....although long hair can be used that way. I have never seen a woman that I thought looked better with short hair than she did with long. But, I have seen plenty that with their long hair and no makeup, looked better than with short hair AND makeup. That is but a personal opinion, and personal taste. I don't expect agreement in this area.

I think that are ladies are impressive when they do their hair in nice fashion, but not outlandlishly--and I think their dedication to God shines through. My opinion again.

I think that society was much less encumbered with open sin before ladies began to follow after more modern fashions in cutting the hair, and wearing pants. I DO NOT say that this is the cause, but merely a symptom begetting more symptoms. If cut hair and pants were the only issues we had to deal with--then preachers could rest easy. They often seem to run along with more problematic issues--but that is certainly not a rule without NUMEROUS exceptions on both sides of the issue.

Yes--I'm more liberal than most conservatives on this, and more conservative than most "liberals" on this...but I am just stating where I am and where I am coming from.

And, this is not intended to pick back. I appreciate the many debates that you and I have both enjoined--and I am the better for them. Interpreted, if I am not as strict on this issue as I once was--I suppose that Newman can be said to bear part of the blame!!!!

BP: Newman only asked you 4 simple questions. Ya could of answered in less words than you typed to avoid her questions.

[mfblume]

Yep. Another oputward issue and there are more posts on it than inward issues.

Carry on.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Yep. Another oputward issue and there are more posts on it than inward issues.

Carry on.

NOT SO this outward issue definitely has inward issues.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOT SO this outward issue definitely has inward issues.

That was always the excuse to concentrate on the outward more than the inward. lol If it really were the case, then there would be just as many posts in inward issue topics.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That was always the excuse to concentrate on the outward more than the inward. lol If it really were the case, then there would be just as many posts in inward issue topics.

I'm just curious - does a non-Apostolic woman who has long hair, or uncut hair, have the same power?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That was always the excuse to concentrate on the outward more than the inward. lol If it really were the case, then there would be just as many posts in inward issue topics.

Jesus said make the inside of the cup first and the platter that the OUTSIDE of them may be clean ALSO. Mt. 23:26 The OUTWARD should reflect the inward.

Most outward problems are really inward problems that have been made apparent outwardly. Such as bobbed hair a sign of rebellion against Divine order. Long hair was the sign of authority that signifies Headship. But feminist both in and out of the church reject submission to masculine authority. Thier cut hair is saying NO MAN is going to tell me what to do.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus said make the inside of the cup first and the platter that the OUTSIDE of them may be clean ALSO. Mt. 23:26 The OUTWARD should reflect the inward.

Most outward problems are really inward problems that have been made apparent outwardly. Such as bobbed hair a sign of rebellion against Divine order. Long hair was the sign of authority that signifies Headship. But feminist both in and out of the church reject submission to masculine authority. Thier cut hair is saying NO MAN is going to tell me what to do.

What is a non-submissive woman with long hair saying?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus said make the inside of the cup first and the platter that the OUTSIDE of them may be clean ALSO. Mt. 23:26 The OUTWARD should reflect the inward.

Most outward problems are really inward problems that have been made apparent outwardly. Such as bobbed hair a sign of rebellion against Divine order. Long hair was the sign of authority that signifies Headship. But feminist both in and out of the church reject submission to masculine authority. Thier cut hair is saying NO MAN is going to tell me what to do.

Hahaha! Are there really feminist in the church or is that an oxymoran? And by the way what of the wife whose husband wants her to cut her hair? Where exactly is she on your scale of submission?

[Brett Prince]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

BP: Newman only asked you 4 simple questions. Ya could of answered in less words than you typed to avoid her questions.

FAL--sure--but I have done this before. When I answered those questions--I would have just gotten four more. I don't have time. So, I summarized my whole position--and that will be all I will take time to do.