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Old 05-22-2007, 09:42 PM
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I wonder how many people have been converted to the Apostolic faith simply by seeing a woman's long hair?
We have had folks visit and were saved that were attracted by the appearance of our godly looking saints. And that testimony is found in many churches. Some don't believe it here but we have the folks so who cares.
A saint(a man) was told by his employer that he and his wife was in a local resturant and some of our young ladies came in. At the table next to them were a group of business men and the comment was made by one of these men "Now there are some Christian young ladies you can tell by their dress."
The saint's employer's wife said we have been here the whole time and they haven't said anything about us being Christians. Well the answer was right in front of them. You may look the part and not be the part but you CANNOT be the part and not look the part.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:44 PM
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We have had folks visit and were saved that were attracted by the appearance of our godly looking saints. And that testimony is found in many churches. Some don't believe it here but we have the folks so who cares.
A saint(a man) was told by his employer that he and his wife was in a local resturant and some of our young ladies came in. At the table next to them were a group of business men and the comment was made by one of these men "Now there are some Christian young ladies you can tell by their dress."
The saint's employer's wife said we have been here the whole time and they haven't said anything about us being Christians. Well the answer was right in front of them. You may look the part and not be the part but you CANNOT be the part and not look the part.
Good story, Elder. Did the people that made the comment about your young ladies come to your church to visit? I've yet to see anyone come to church because of how someone looked. I've seen several who came to church because of how others acted tho.

If people were enticed to join churches/communities by appearance alone, the Amish community would be growing every day.
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Good story, Elder. Did the people that made the comment about your young ladies come to your church to visit? I've yet to see anyone come to church because of how someone looked. I've seen several who came to church because of how others acted tho.

If people were enticed to join churches/communities by appearance alone, the Amish community would be growing every day.
We have people in our church saved that were FIRST attracted by what they saw. And I have a pastor friend that has just baptized 2 families and this was their testimony. The difference was alluring to them. The Amish do NOT look like our folks. Strawman they are NOT saved.
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We have people in our church saved that were FIRST attracted by what they saw. And I have a pastor friend that has just baptized 2 families and this was their testimony. The difference was alluring to them. The Amish do NOT look like our folks. Strawman they are NOT saved.
No, but according to those who espouse outward separation, they LOOK a lot more saved than most Apostolics.

And, I assume that the answer to my question about whether the people visited because of what they saw is "no"?
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No, but according to those who espouse outward separation, they LOOK a lot more saved than most Apostolics.

And, I assume that the answer to my question about whether the people visited because of what they saw is "no"?
I have no idea however the employer and his wife visited. I don't know if any of the others did or not I was not there. However we have had folks visit us and claim that was a reason. I have NO reason to lie why would do that? Some folks see our people everyday and it means nothing to them but evidently it does to some people. We had 5 ladies working at a bank and the president and his wife told me they were the best looking people there. They said they look so wholesome.
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I have no idea however the employer and his wife visited. I don't know if any of the others did or not I was not there. However we have had folks visit us and claim that was a reason. I have NO reason to lie why would do that? Some folks see our people everyday and it means nothing to them but evidently it does to some people. We had 5 ladies working at a bank and the president and his wife told me they were the best looking people there. They said they look so wholesome.
That's all well and good, and I never accused you of lying. I would also not disagree that women who embrace traditional Apostolic standards are very lady like and beautiful, in most cases.

However, my original statement, the one that you first replied to, was "I'd like to know how many people have visited Apostolic churches based solely on someone else's appearance".

You seemed to place much more emphasis on people's comments about appearance, not how many have actually visited/been converted in your assembly because of someone else's appearance.
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That's all well and good, and I never accused you of lying. I would also not disagree that women who embrace traditional Apostolic standards are very lady like and beautiful, in most cases.

However, my original statement, the one that you first replied to, was "I'd like to know how many people have visited Apostolic churches based solely on someone else's appearance".

You seemed to place much more emphasis on people's comments about appearance, not how many have actually visited/been converted in your assembly because of someone else's appearance.
It has happened and some are saved today and IF only ONE came because of it that would be enough. The value of one soul.
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We have had folks visit and were saved that were attracted by the appearance of our godly looking saints. And that testimony is found in many churches. Some don't believe it here but we have the folks so who cares.
A saint(a man) was told by his employer that he and his wife was in a local resturant and some of our young ladies came in. At the table next to them were a group of business men and the comment was made by one of these men "Now there are some Christian young ladies you can tell by their dress."
The saint's employer's wife said we have been here the whole time and they haven't said anything about us being Christians. Well the answer was right in front of them. You may look the part and not be the part but you CANNOT be the part and not look the part.

I wonder what those men would have said it young men entered instead of the young women.

I don't want someone to know I'm a Christian by the clothes I have on. I'd rather have them see me with my Jesus on.
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I wonder what those men would have said it young men entered instead of the young women.

I don't want someone to know I'm a Christian by the clothes I have on. I'd rather have them see me with my Jesus on.
How do we know the business men were not just UPCers from another local UPC and recognized the look?
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How do we know the business men were not just UPCers from another local UPC and recognized the look?
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