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04-24-2013, 06:29 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
The Amish do not get shots and finish school at 14. Should we put them in jail? hmmmm
personal freedoms mean nothing to some. 
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04-24-2013, 06:33 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
Some of my grandchildren are not immunized and are home schooled. In Texas there is a religious exemption for immunizations.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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04-24-2013, 06:42 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
I'm going to step out on a limb here and say that these people are just people living lives of faith according to their beliefs. I cannot label them abusive because they choose to trust God, neither can I say that they are a danger to their children. This is their beliefs and should be respected. They must believe this to their CORE to sit back and watch this happen. So, although I disagree with their choice, I respect their right to have it. Funny how we live in a society that would have allowed them to outright KILL their children in the womb but when they use prayer and trust God they are criminals. Sad.
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04-24-2013, 09:02 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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Originally Posted by ILG
I'm going to step out on a limb here and say that these people are just people living lives of faith according to their beliefs. I cannot label them abusive because they choose to trust God, neither can I say that they are a danger to their children. This is their beliefs and should be respected. They must believe this to their CORE to sit back and watch this happen. So, although I disagree with their choice, I respect their right to have it. Funny how we live in a society that would have allowed them to outright KILL their children in the womb but when they use prayer and trust God they are criminals. Sad.
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Originally Posted by Cindy
Some of my grandchildren are not immunized and are home schooled. In Texas there is a religious exemption for immunizations.
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Originally Posted by deafdriscoll
The Amish do not get shots and finish school at 14. Should we put them in jail? hmmmm
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04-24-2013, 10:59 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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Originally Posted by ILG
I'm going to step out on a limb here and say that these people are just people living lives of faith according to their beliefs. I cannot label them abusive because they choose to trust God, neither can I say that they are a danger to their children. This is their beliefs and should be respected. They must believe this to their CORE to sit back and watch this happen. So, although I disagree with their choice, I respect their right to have it. Funny how we live in a society that would have allowed them to outright KILL their children in the womb but when they use prayer and trust God they are criminals. Sad.
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An adult is free to let themselves die without medical care. It is a different case altogether when children who are too young to make that decision for themselves are involved.
We are not talking about them believing God for healing of a toothache and it not happening but the kid gets better. We are talking about a small child whose health was clearly deteriorating day by day to the point of death. The second child they have let die I might add.
I hope they get jail time and lose custody of the remaining children.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-24-2013, 10:59 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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Originally Posted by ILG
I'm going to step out on a limb here and say that these people are just people living lives of faith according to their beliefs. I cannot label them abusive because they choose to trust God, neither can I say that they are a danger to their children. This is their beliefs and should be respected. They must believe this to their CORE to sit back and watch this happen. So, although I disagree with their choice, I respect their right to have it. Funny how we live in a society that would have allowed them to outright KILL their children in the womb but when they use prayer and trust God they are criminals. Sad.
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An adult is free to let themselves die without medical care. It is a different case altogether when children who are too young to make that decision for themselves are involved.
We are not talking about them believing God for healing of a toothache and it not happening but the kid gets better. We are talking about a small child whose health was clearly deteriorating day by day to the point of death. The second child they have let die I might add.
I hope they get jail time and lose custody of the remaining children.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-24-2013, 11:25 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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Originally Posted by CC1
An adult is free to let themselves die without medical care. It is a different case altogether when children who are too young to make that decision for themselves are involved.
We are not talking about them believing God for healing of a toothache and it not happening but the kid gets better. We are talking about a small child whose health was clearly deteriorating day by day to the point of death. The second child they have let die I might add.
I hope they get jail time and lose custody of the remaining children.
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I personally know the couple who let their 11 year old diabetic daughter die when a simple insulin shot would have saved her. To this day they believe that her death was a satanic attack on them.
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04-25-2013, 02:47 AM
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Tired of it.
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Originally Posted by CC1
An adult is free to let themselves die without medical care. It is a different case altogether when children who are too young to make that decision for themselves are involved.
We are not talking about them believing God for healing of a toothache and it not happening but the kid gets better. We are talking about a small child whose health was clearly deteriorating day by day to the point of death. The second child they have let die I might add.
I hope they get jail time and lose custody of the remaining children.
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Exactly.
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04-25-2013, 04:31 AM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
I will say I believe in Divine healing. I have been healed more than once. My Mother was a woman of great faith, but she never endangered her children.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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04-25-2013, 05:38 AM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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I personally know the couple who let their 11 year old diabetic daughter die when a simple insulin shot would have saved her. To this day they believe that her death was a satanic attack on them.
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The satanic attack that was successful was their decision not to go down the path that would've provided an insulin shot to their child.
Jesus worked many miracles that did not need any medical help and the same goes for the apostles. However, when Jesus spoke in defense of miracles on the Sabbath; for an example he asked what man would not help to get his oxen free from being stuck in a ditch on the Sabbath (my paraphrase). I cannot help but note that he did not say do not help the oxen get out of the ditch, but only pray that God will free the oxen from the ditch.
I have seen miracles that were not only unassisted by any medical help but also overcame what professional medicine could not do for people. However, when it comes to denying medical help we certainly have the right to do so to ourselves. In other words someone diagnosed with cancer has every right to refuse medical help and be willing to die if God does not intervene.
What right society has to say when the faith of a sick child's parents has run its course, and it is time for society to intervene with medical help even when it is against the wishes of the parents is going to be a long argument.
If we allow parents to have the right of decision over life and death concerning abortions it seems to me only fair to give them the same rights over living children. On the other hand if you want to take away the right of the parents to have sole dominion over the care for their children, then you should offer the same protection to the unborn.
Just my $.02 worth
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