Dkb tweets & fb statuses

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Jack Shephard

So, I have liked David K. Bernard on FB to see what all he has to say. I have seen several "stats" regarding growth in the UPC and different figures regarding oneness people versus trinitarians, "stats" about people that speak in tongues versus those that don't. I haven't done the sutdies on the topics he has been posting about but the number seem very off.

"Scholarly study: 'Evangelical churches are filling up with people who have never had a genuine experience of transformational conversion"


"Trinitarian Pentecostal pastors: most agree there has been a loss of spiritual gifts (70%) & gloss of Pentecostal identity (60%)" -- I presume he meant "loss" and not "gloss" but that was a direct quote.

Do any of you all follow his FB or Tweets? He seems to be giving wild info. Am I alone in feeling that way?

Originally Posted by Farfel

I follow him on twitter and have also found his information to be untrue.

I obviously am NOT DKB.....(I'm much better looking.....lol) however my guess is that he is quoting the AG stats. According to the AG (derived from Christianity Today here: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...ober/5.15.html which tells us that only half (50%) of the AG regular attendees claim to have received the Holy Spirit baptism; and another poll listed in Christianity Today here: anitytoday.com/ct/2006/octoberweb-only/140-53.0.html

Also the ever trusted Wickipedia...lol here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...tes_of_America says that only 50% of their members claim the Holy ghost baptism, and it gives a direct quote from the AG stating: "Yet, the distinctive doctrine that once united us has, in some circles, become a point of contention. We lament the increasing rarity of the gifts of the Spirit in our worship setting. We wonder where, in our busy church schedules, will people have an opportunity to tarry at the altars for a transforming Pentecostal experience?"

So, while it would be nice to see his sources, I certainly do not believe that his numbers are too far off......if anything according to these articles I have "sourced" his numbers are exaggerated to the good side not the bad.

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I obviously am NOT DKB.....(I'm much better looking.....lol) however my guess is that he is quoting the AG stats. According to the AG (derived from Christianity Today here: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...ober/5.15.html which tells us that only half (50%) of the AG regular attendees claim to have received the Holy Spirit baptism; and another poll listed in Christianity Today here: anitytoday.com/ct/2006/octoberweb-only/140-53.0.html

Also the ever trusted Wickipedia...lol here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...tes_of_America says that only 50% of their members claim the Holy ghost baptism, and it gives a direct quote from the AG stating: "Yet, the distinctive doctrine that once united us has, in some circles, become a point of contention. We lament the increasing rarity of the gifts of the Spirit in our worship setting. We wonder where, in our busy church schedules, will people have an opportunity to tarry at the altars for a transforming Pentecostal experience?"

So, while it would be nice to see his sources, I certainly do not believe that his numbers are too far off......if anything according to these articles I have "sourced" his numbers are exaggerated to the good side not the bad.

Some of what he's been saying does have some truth, but here are some statements that he made that I've found to be completely off:

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #7: Rare to hear teaching on Christian disciplines such as prayer, tithing, church attendance"

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #6: Rare to hear teaching on how Christian living affects personal lifestyle choices"

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #4: Interest in supernatural has largely waned, even though culture is very interested"

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #3: Rare to hear pastoral teaching on baptism of Spirit or to witness tongues in congregation"

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #2: Supernatural experience are less like to happen in churches, especially Sun AM" This statement is almost funny.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Farfel

Some of what he's been saying does have some truth, but here are some statements that he made that I've found to be completely off:

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #7: Rare to hear teaching on Christian disciplines such as prayer, tithing, church attendance"

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #6: Rare to hear teaching on how Christian living affects personal lifestyle choices"

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #4: Interest in supernatural has largely waned, even though culture is very interested"

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #3: Rare to hear pastoral teaching on baptism of Spirit or to witness tongues in congregation"

"Scholarship on modern Pentecostals #2: Supernatural experience are less like to happen in churches, especially Sun AM" This statement is almost funny.

These are also some of the things that made me scratch my head.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I obviously am NOT DKB.....(I'm much better looking.....lol) however my guess is that he is quoting the AG stats. According to the AG (derived from Christianity Today here: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...ober/5.15.html which tells us that only half (50%) of the AG regular attendees claim to have received the Holy Spirit baptism; and another poll listed in Christianity Today here: anitytoday.com/ct/2006/octoberweb-only/140-53.0.html

Also the ever trusted Wickipedia...lol here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...tes_of_America says that only 50% of their members claim the Holy ghost baptism, and it gives a direct quote from the AG stating: "Yet, the distinctive doctrine that once united us has, in some circles, become a point of contention. We lament the increasing rarity of the gifts of the Spirit in our worship setting. We wonder where, in our busy church schedules, will people have an opportunity to tarry at the altars for a transforming Pentecostal experience?"

So, while it would be nice to see his sources, I certainly do not believe that his numbers are too far off......if anything according to these articles I have "sourced" his numbers are exaggerated to the good side not the bad.

His numbers not being too far off doesn't mean they are accurate in the least.