Saved vs striving to be saved??

[Luke]

I am saved yet striving to stay saved.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Luke

I am saved yet striving to stay saved.

How much striving does it take to stay saved? How do you know if your presently striving enough to say "I am saved"?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

How much striving does it take to stay saved? How do you know if your presently striving enough to say "I am saved"?

The mature have this mindset:
Php 3:8 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ
Php 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith--
Php 3:10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
Php 3:11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
Php 3:13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,
Php 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
Php 3:15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

How much striving does it take to stay saved? How do you know if your presently striving enough to say "I am saved"?

Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Luke

Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Do you consider your self completely sin free?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Do you consider your self completely sin free?

Yes

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Luke

Yes

Wow, first one ever to answer yes. You walk in complete submission to God bearing fruit of the Spirit? You never get angry when shouldn't? Love at all times? Etc....

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Wow, first one ever to answer yes. You walk in complete submission to God bearing fruit of the Spirit? You never get angry when shouldn't? Love at all times? Etc....

I haven't always but now through Jesus I can say yes.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Luke

I am saved yet striving to stay saved.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

These verses were written to the born again believer. They were already "saved". Now, keeping one's body under subjection so as to not be cast out by other believers is related to sanctification, not salvation. In addition, so is diligently searching the soul for any root of bitterness.

I look at it like this... many people in Hell could be said to have been "saved". However, they failed the grace of God relating to their sanctification.

Also, sanctification isn't the application of traditions or man made rules. Nor is it applying any combination of OT laws. Sanctification is growing into the fulness of Christ's own image and likeness... becoming a living extention of Jesus in this darkened world. And this is not accomplished through the law. The law will only conform you into the image of ancient Israel. Traditions and man made rules of religion will only conform you into the image of that specific denomination or religion. We are seeking to have Christ formed in us. A living union of spirit with God Himself through Jesus.

Jesus boiled it all down to this...

Loving God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength. Then we are to demonstrate that love by loving others as ourselves.

He who loves his neighbour as himself has fulfilled the entire law, for the law was only designed to try to get Israel to do this in the context of their ancient culture. Too many people put the cart before the horse and say that the command to love (the Law of Christ) should lead one to follow the Ten Commandments or some other combination of laws. Wrong. The Ten Commandments and the entirety of all laws were intended to demonstrate God's demand to love others.

So... we're free of the law. We live by grace. We now sanctify ourselves by cultivating the love of Jesus in our hearts towards God and our fellow man. Biblical Christianity is therefore the most universal and applicable faith in the world and can be practiced in ANY cultural context.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Aquila

These verses were written to the born again believer. They were already "saved". Now, keeping one's body under subjection so as to not be cast out by other believers is related to sanctification, not salvation. In addition, so is diligently searching the soul for any root of bitterness.

I look at it like this... many people in Hell could be said to have been "saved". However, they failed the grace of God relating to their sanctification.

Also, sanctification isn't the application of traditions or man made rules. Nor is it applying any combination of OT laws. Sanctification is growing into the fulness of Christ's own image and likeness... becoming a living extention of Jesus in this darkened world. And this is not accomplished through the law. The law will only conform you into the image of ancient Israel. Traditions and man made rules of religion will only conform you into the image of that specific denomination or religion. We are seeking to have Christ formed in us. A living union of spirit with God Himself through Jesus.

Jesus boiled it all down to this...

Loving God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength. Then we are to demonstrate that love by loving others as ourselves.

He who loves his neighbour as himself has fulfilled the entire law, for the law was only designed to try to get Israel to do this in the context of their ancient culture. Too many people put the cart before the horse and say that the command to love (the Law of Christ) should lead one to follow the Ten Commandments or some other combination of laws. Wrong. The Ten Commandments and the entirety of all laws were intended to demonstrate God's demand to love others.

So... we're free of the law. We live by grace. We now sanctify ourselves by cultivating the love of Jesus in our hearts towards God and our fellow man. Biblical Christianity is therefore the most universal and applicable faith in the world and can be practiced in ANY cultural context.

So are you saying that saved peopl go to hell or are you saying that you can lose your salvation?