My cat died this morning.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How does that "angle" work in light of verse 21? How is an animal delivered and turned into a child of God?

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

The New Living Translation renders it as saying...

Romans 8:20-21
New Living Translation (NLT)
20 Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay.

ESV (formally equivalent translation) renders it as saying:

Romans 8:20-21
English Standard Version (ESV)
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The New Living Translation renders it as saying...

Romans 8:20-21
New Living Translation (NLT)
20 Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay.

ESV (formally equivalent translation) renders it as saying:

Romans 8:20-21
English Standard Version (ESV)
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Romans 8:19 "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God."

How would an animal be able to do that?

It is hard to take the whole context of chapter 8 and include animals into it. Just don't see it, Aquila. LOL!

But, we will allow Ferd to dream.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Romans 8:19 "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God."

How would an animal be able to do that?

You've never seen a dog or some other animal wait at the door for it's master's arrival? Never seen a dog lay at the foot of a coffin and have to be removed by family? Never seen a dog or animal starve themselves to death over losing a master? Oh... they wait. They know something isn't right with creation. And they know that mankind are both the problem and key in being the answer.

It is hard to take the whole context of chapter 8 and include animals into it. Just don't see it, Aquila. LOL!

That's cool. lol I could be wrong. But if God does restor the cosmos... that would include everything in it... redeemed man, plant, and beast.

But, we will allow Ferd to dream.

lol

[deafdriscoll]

Jay my screen name here is after one of my cats.Driscoll really is daef.