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Old 05-07-2013, 02:44 PM
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Hey... how can you explain the countless stories of people who were clinically dead upon emergency medicals arrival... who can explain who was there, what people were wearing, and what the medics did and even said??? They describe being consciously aware of themselves, aware that they were out of body, and looking down at the scene as an observer???

Are you calling all of these men and women liars???
Apples and Oranges. I never said there cant be temporary resurrections. They happened in scripture. They could happen today.

What scripture teaches is that when one actually dies (unless they are temporarily resurrected for Gods purpose) they are no longer alive.
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Apples and Oranges. I never said there cant be temporary resurrections. They happened in scripture. They could happen today.

What scripture teaches is that when one actually dies (unless they are temporarily resurrected for Gods purpose) they are no longer alive.
Or maybe they consciously exist on a spiritual plane (Heaven or Hell) and God is just allowing them to interact with the earthly plane. For example, Samuel's spirit prophesied against Saul without needing to be updated as to what was going on with the nation. Your doctrine would have Moses and Elijah being temporarily resurrected, were their bodies temporarily resurrected also? Or did they have "spiritual forms" that were making themselves visible on our plane of existence? Also... your doctrine would have them appearing in either temporarily resurrected physical bodies or spiritual bodies having come from a state of unconsciousness that would have been many hundreds and perhaps in Moses' case, thousands, of years. Being unconcious and non-existant... did God raise them magically knowing what was going on? Were they disoriented needing to be filled in on what they missed the past thousand years or so?

If I'm right... they were present with the LORD and well aware of what was happening on earth. Just like the souls in Heaven in the book of Revelation.

This is JW doctrine Michael. It's error. And the sad thing is... you know it.
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Apples and Oranges. I never said there cant be temporary resurrections. They happened in scripture. They could happen today.

What scripture teaches is that when one actually dies (unless they are temporarily resurrected for Gods purpose) they are no longer alive.
makes absolutely no sense
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