Humility and pride revisited...

Originally Posted by Chan

I agree with the quotes.

I think there is some misunderstanding on the part of many about pride. The Bible ALWAYS refers to pride as sin and NEVER presents a "good" kind of pride. To say that we're "proud" of this or that person or accomplishment is sin because pride is always sin. One can be pleased with this or that person or accomplishment but we must never be proud.

You are actually saying that we should not appear to be, or place ourselves, above others or be/appear haughty, correct? But, can we feel pleasure or satisfaction over something regarded as highly honorable or creditable? What about having or showing self-respect? May we be full of vigor and spirit? How about treating someone or oneself generously - is that permitted?

Originally Posted by Felidae

You are actually saying that we should not appear to be, or place ourselves, above others or be/appear haughty, correct? But, can we feel pleasure or satisfaction over something regarded as highly honorable or creditable? What about having or showing self-respect? May we be full of vigor and spirit? How about treating someone or oneself generously - is that permitted?

The point I was trying to make was that what you are calling "pride" (the biblical definition) differs from what others here are calling "pride" (the definition which comes from the dictionary). I don't believe anyone here places themselves above others in a haughty or arrogant way. But they feel pleasure over a thing or person that they regard highly.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Felidae

The point I was trying to make was that what you are calling "pride" (the biblical definition) differs from what others here are calling "pride" (the definition which comes from the dictionary). I don't believe anyone here places themselves above others in a haughty or arrogant way. But they feel pleasure over a thing or person that they regard highly.

One of my first posts on FCF was about this and self-esteem. Roxie ate my lunch! She was very against any type of pride or self-esteem.

Maybe it's the attitude behind the word, but I'm proud of my kids and I don't think that's a sin.

Originally Posted by rgcraig

One of my first posts on FCF was about this and self-esteem. Roxie ate my lunch! She was very against any type of pride or self-esteem.

Maybe it's the attitude behind the word, but I'm proud of my kids and I don't think that's a sin.

I'm proud of my kids, too. But I'm not haughty or arrogant. I feel generous & pleasure towards them! Thus, I'm "proud."

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Felidae

I'm proud of my kids, too. But I'm not haughty or arrogant. I feel generous & pleasure towards them! Thus, I'm "proud."

Exactly!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

One of my first posts on FCF was about this and self-esteem. Roxie ate my lunch! She was very against any type of pride or self-esteem.

Maybe it's the attitude behind the word, but I'm proud of my kids and I don't think that's a sin.

It isn't, girl!!

Originally Posted by rgcraig

One of my first posts on FCF was about this and self-esteem. Roxie ate my lunch! She was very against any type of pride or self-esteem.

Maybe it's the attitude behind the word, but I'm proud of my kids and I don't think that's a sin.

The Bible (the only standard for our lives) always refers to pride as something sinful. It does not set forth a "good" kind of pride. As for your statement, "I don't think that's a sin," it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what God's word says.

The Bible always refers to pride as sin; self-esteem is pride; therefore, self-esteem is sin. Further, the Bible never tells us to have self-esteem, it tells us to esteem others as better than ourselves.

Originally Posted by Chan

The Bible (the only standard for our lives) always refers to pride as something sinful. It does not set forth a "good" kind of pride. As for your statement, "I don't think that's a sin," it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what God's word says.

The Bible always refers to pride as sin; self-esteem is pride; therefore, self-esteem is sin. Further, the Bible never tells us to have self-esteem, it tells us to esteem others as better than ourselves.

Can we have self-respect? Are we worthy of respect? May we love ourselves?

Originally Posted by Felidae

Can we have self-respect? Are we worthy of respect? May we love ourselves?

Self-respect is to think of ourselves more highly than we ought. The Bible never tells us to love ourselves (it's automatically assumed that we do, since we have a sinful nature). We are not worthy of respect or anything except for eternity in the lake of fire. That God allows us to even draw breath from one moment to the next is entirely by His grace. That He goes even further and allows some of us to have a relationship with Him is amazing grace!

Originally Posted by Chan

Self-respect is to think of ourselves more highly than we ought. The Bible never tells us to love ourselves (it's automatically assumed that we do, since we have a sinful nature). We are not worthy of respect or anything except for eternity in the lake of fire. That God allows us to even draw breath from one moment to the next is entirely by His grace. That He goes even further and allows some of us to have a relationship with Him is amazing grace!

Self-respect is to treat ourselves (the temple of the Holy Ghost) with dignity.

Please show me the scriptures which states that it is automatically assumed we love ourselves AND that it is BECAUSE we have a sinful nature.