As a Latina who 'passes' as white (light skin, no accent, married to a white guy) I can promise you that racism is alive and kickin' in this country. It is not the 'problems of the past' that are at issue... it is the problems of today. Most people are, at their core, racist. And I've had a birds eye view of just how people who claim to not be racist act when they are with their 'own kind'.
Sadly enough, the church is the last bastion and stronghold of racism. It seems that only in church is it just OK to have no one in attendance of another color.
I think better markers of measuring your sincere acceptance of other races as equal are to ask yourself why you do not now or did not (if you did not) date across racial lines when you were single, why you attend a church that is at least 90% your own color, live in an area that is not racially mixed or send your kids to school with kids that all look like them... Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.
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As a Latina who 'passes' as white (light skin, no accent, married to a white guy) I can promise you that racism is alive and kickin' in this country. It is not the 'problems of the past' that are at issue... it is the problems of today. Most people are, at their core, racist. And I've had a birds eye view of just how people who claim to not be racist act when they are with their 'own kind'.
Sadly enough, the church is the last bastion and stronghold of racism. It seems that only in church is it just OK to have no one in attendance of another color.
I think better markers of measuring your sincere acceptance of other races as equal are to ask yourself why you do not now or did not (if you did not) date across racial lines when you were single, why you attend a church that is at least 90% your own color, live in an area that is not racially mixed or send your kids to school with kids that all look like them... Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.
I don't believe this is actually fair.
If the school is under-performing, that is always a consideration for any parent. As a matter of fact, every Realtor knows this is a consideration for a family looking to purchase. It's not always based on skin color.
I also don't think it is fair to enforce a dating prerequisite on anyone - date outside of your race. Why is that so important to keep up race relations? Why don't we just allow a person to chose their mate and teach being friendly? After all, it is a Christian virtue.
If you are following God's will for your life, what if that church has a larger percentage of one color over the other? If where we worship is where we believe God has sent us, do we then blame God?
A lot of factors, i.e. job availability, could be involved in where you live and work.
And finally, I feel a very good percentage of Americans want to help their neighbors. That has shown to be true during disaster situations. Hey, even NYC stop honking their horns for a few days. LOL!
I believe a better part of America is not racist. I believe people are offended by boorish people, which can easily be misconstrued for being a racist. I am not racist against illegals. We know quite a few honest illegals here on work visas, but I don't like criminal illegals. Big difference.
If the school is under-performing, that is always a consideration for any parent. As a matter of fact, every Realtor knows this is a consideration for a family looking to purchase. It's not always based on skin color.
I also don't think it is fair to enforce a dating prerequisite on anyone - date outside of your race. Why is that so important to keep up race relations? Why don't we just allow a person to chose their mate and teach being friendly? After all, it is a Christian virtue.
If you are following God's will for your life, what if that church has a larger percentage of one color over the other? If where we worship is where we believe God has sent us, do we then blame God?
A lot of factors, i.e. job availability, could be involved in where you live and work.
And finally, I feel a very good percentage of Americans want to help their neighbors. That has shown to be true during disaster situations. Hey, even NYC stop honking their horns for a few days. LOL!
I believe a better part of America is not racist. I believe people are offended by boorish people, which can easily be misconstrued for being a racist. I am not racist against illegals. We know quite a few honest illegals here on work visas, but I don't like criminal illegals. Big difference.
What I've found in my 50 years as a white looking Latina is that people say they are A-OK with other races because it is now the ONLY acceptable thing to say (look at Paula)... but really they would never date outside their race or would at least completely exclude some races, they would not be happy to find their child dating or marrying certain races, they are not truly comfortable in schools, workplaces, or even churches unless the large majority of people are the same race as them... and when they are where they feel it is acceptable... well they are NOT Ferd.
I've heard tons of 'dirty Mexican' comments all my life because people think I'm white and my hispanic family, while minority themselves, for the most part hated blacks and would never have accepted me dating or marrying a black man ... Of my five, I have three children that have very fair color and have light eyes and two that are 'throwbacks' with much darker skin than me and look Hispanic... they have received unkind treatment at our 'Christian' school and been called racial names. Both are bright, gifted young men with excellent educations... and they still get shabby treatment. Racism is not dead in the country by a long shot... and some of the measures I've give of how it still exists are just that... measures.
BTW... the pastor from our huge UPC church would not marry a bi-racial couple even though both were HG filled believers but he'll tell anyone who will listen he's not 'prejudice', ROFL!
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What I've found in my 50 years as a white looking Latina is that people say they are A-OK with other races because it is now the ONLY acceptable thing to say (look at Paula)... but really they would never date outside their race or would at least completely exclude some races, they would not be happy to find their child dating or marrying certain races, they are not truly comfortable in schools, workplaces, or even churches unless the large majority of people are the same race as them... and when they are where they feel it is acceptable... well they are NOT Ferd.
I've heard tons of 'dirty Mexican' comments all my life because people think I'm white and my hispanic family, while minority themselves, for the most part hated blacks and would never have accepted me dating or marrying a black man ... Of my five, I have three children that have very fair color and have light eyes and two that are 'throwbacks' with much darker skin than me and look Hispanic... they have received unkind treatment at our 'Christian' school and been called racial names. Both are bright, gifted young men with excellent educations... and they still get shabby treatment. Racism is not dead in the country by a long shot... and some of the measures I've give of how it still exists are just that... measures.
BTW... the pastor from our huge UPC church would not marry a bi-racial couple even though both were HG filled believers but he'll tell anyone who will listen he's not 'prejudice', ROFL!
Terry Black told my husband and I that no matter what he would not have married us if we were to have been in his church and dating He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother...... Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Terry Black told my husband and I that no matter what he would not have married us if we were to have been in his church and dating He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother...... Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you should have told TB that he was right, he wasnt prejudice, that he was a racist, THEN walked out and never gone back. God bless you, your husband and your wonderful kids.
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you should have told TB that he was right, he wasnt prejudice, that he was a racist, THEN walked out and never gone back. God bless you, your husband and your wonderful kids.
May the sun bring you new energy by day, the moon softly restore you by night, may the rain wash away your worries, may the breeze blow new strength into your being, may you walk gently through the world and know it's beauty all the days of your life~
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Terry Black told my husband and I that no matter what he would not have married us if we were to have been in his church and dating He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother...... Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My wife is Black and I am white, The pastor didn't know I was white til a day or so before wedding because I flew out from Cali to east coast. He really didn't want to do it saying he wasn't going to announce it to the church anymore. I don't beleive he is racist, he just influenced by a mindset or church culture maybe. His asst is black, has married black/white couple with announcement since ours.
Funny thing is that telling a wm and bw couple they will have a hard time making it doesn't match up to stats, they are 43% less likely to divorce then all white couples.
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My wife is Black and I am white, The pastor didn't know I was white til a day or so before wedding because I flew out from Cali to east coast. He really didn't want to do it saying he wasn't going to announce it to the church anymore. I don't beleive he is racist, he just influenced by a mindset or church culture maybe. His asst is black, has married black/white couple with announcement since ours.
Funny thing is that telling a wm and bw couple they will have a hard time making it doesn't match up to stats, they are 43% less likely to divorce then all white couples.
I don't look white at all, as my dad looks like he is full blooded Hispanic not Apache as he is! But TB asked my nationality and said I looked "Mexican" ???? I replied NO I am American Indian from the Apache Tribe ~Apache Mohave (Yavapai) and Apache Yuma. But as for your post....you are correct. It seems interracial couples have LESS issues than a couple of the same ethnicity IMO and from what I have seen in my own family and close friends.
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Terry Black told my husband and I that no matter what he would not have married us if we were to have been in his church and dating He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother...... Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What I personally witnessed from a few children of mixed race is that they sometimes have an identity crisis. For instance, one such young girl wanted to be white like her mom, but her dad was very black and none of the children looked like they had a white mother at all. The girl was upset because she wanted to date a white boy and while she had a lot of white boy friends, none of them she was interested in wanted to date her. The struggle to 'belong' was a horrible thing for her to go through. She isn't the only one I have seen struggle with that issue. Do any of your children voice anything like the above or have you ever seen that?
I have never dated outside of my race simply because I wasn't interested, not because of their color. My sister is dating a black man. I love him regardless because he takes care of her. My brother doesn't like it because he thinks we should 'stick to our own kind' even though he likes the guy as a good friend.
Being with 'our own kind' is normal, I think. While there are some like my sister, mother in law, and yourself who choose to date outside their race, it's not typical.
I love everyone no matter what...unless you pick on my kids. Then I'm a momma bear! LOL!
What I personally witnessed from a few children of mixed race is that they sometimes have an identity crisis. For instance, one such young girl wanted to be white like her mom, but her dad was very black and none of the children looked like they had a white mother at all. The girl was upset because she wanted to date a white boy and while she had a lot of white boy friends, none of them she was interested in wanted to date her. The struggle to 'belong' was a horrible thing for her to go through. She isn't the only one I have seen struggle with that issue. Do any of your children voice anything like the above or have you ever seen that?
I have never dated outside of my race simply because I wasn't interested, not because of their color. My sister is dating a black man. I love him regardless because he takes care of her. My brother doesn't like it because he thinks we should 'stick to our own kind' even though he likes the guy as a good friend.
Being with 'our own kind' is normal, I think. While there are some like my sister, mother in law, and yourself who choose to date outside their race, it's not typical.
I love everyone no matter what...unless you pick on my kids. Then I'm a momma bear! LOL!
My kids never went thru anything like that! They were and are happy with who they are and where they came from. My son dates mostly Asian girls (?)and my daughter has a son with a Mexican guy and then married a white guy. We are happy with whomever they choose as long as they "stay out of the local dump" to find them....ya know what I mean as a mom!!! We have had our fair share of .......... <ahem> girls my has son picked in the past..... As for "our own kind".....never fully wrapped my mind around that one when people say that куп глупости
(as my Bulgarian gramma would call it) As for my husband, I met him at a friends family cookout and I knew God had sent him my way. This was confirmed thru our pastor one Sunday morning when he called us up front during the middle of a sunday service! God has blessed our marriage and family beyond words thru the years! I never seen a "black man".....I seen a goodlooking guy who smiled at me and asked me my name.....and here we are 32 years later....33 years TOMORROW July 8th!!! True love sees no color, age or shape. I can get along Lucifer if I have to as long as he don't tread on my space and mess with my kids! I despise racism of ANY type and think its from SMALL minded fools who have no sense of even who they are themselves!
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Terry Black told my husband and I that no matter what he would not have married us if we were to have been in his church and dating 
He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother......
Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you Ferd~
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