George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming

Pressing-On · #1 07-11-2013, 09:58 AM

West wants "not guilty" option on the first page. Nelson says defense lawyers always do, but she is not going to do that.

n david · #2 07-11-2013, 10:06 AM

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West wants "not guilty" option on the first page. Nelson says defense lawyers always do, but she is not going to do that.

She said it will all be on one page. I see West's issue with the multiple pages. If it's buried at the bottom of page 3, with all these other charges...the Jury could get overwhelmed seeing all the charges that they just choose one of the charges and forget about the "Not Guilty" choice.

Speaking of the long list of charges with the Not Guilty at the bottom, it sounds like the State's tactic is in fact to bury the Not Guilty option at the bottom of every charge -- PLUS they wanted to add the special findings after each charge.

The State's tactic would be to flood so many charges and findings that the appearance of the verdict form looks worse all written out than what was presented in trial or closing arguments.

Pressing-On · #3 07-11-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

She said it will all be on one page. I see West's issue with the multiple pages. If it's buried at the bottom of page 3, with all these other charges...the Jury could get overwhelmed seeing all the charges that they just choose one of the charges and forget about the "Not Guilty" choice.

Speaking of the long list of charges with the Not Guilty at the bottom, it sounds like the State's tactic is in fact to bury the Not Guilty option at the bottom of every charge -- PLUS they wanted to add the special findings after each charge.

The State's tactic would be to flood so many charges and findings that the appearance of the verdict form looks worse all written out than what was presented in trial or closing arguments.

I am not sure I am looking at Hung Jury anymore. LOL!

Pressing-On · #4 07-11-2013, 10:15 AM

BTW, when did GZ have the opportunity to identify himself? Wasn't he in his vehicle observing TM, while it was raining, and only got out when he saw him running?

n david · #5 07-11-2013, 10:18 AM

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BTW, when did GZ have the opportunity to identify himself? Wasn't he in his vehicle observing TM, while it was raining, and only got out when he saw him running?

I guess he should have yelled out or maybe when he was on the ground getting pummeled he should have mentioned something.

Pressing-On · #6 07-11-2013, 10:21 AM

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I guess he should have yelled out or maybe when he was on the ground getting pummeled he should have mentioned something.

LOL!

Seriously, Serino testified he had time to identify himself. I am wondering at what point he could have done that. It looks likely that TM sucker punched GZ at the T, so you know that is not one of the possibilities.

I don't see why he would get out of his vehicle if the observation isn't sure to pan out. It only panned out when TM started running.

n david · #7 07-11-2013, 10:20 AM

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I am not sure I am looking at Hung Jury anymore. LOL!

That's all I'm hoping for now...the past couple days have really dimmed my hopes of a not guilty verdict. I just don't see them getting past all the charges written. Because there's a huge difference, between hearing the charges and actually seeing them written out in legalese.

Pressing-On · #8 07-11-2013, 10:24 AM

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That's all I'm hoping for now...the past couple days have really dimmed my hopes of a not guilty verdict. I just don't see them getting past all the charges written. Because there's a huge difference, between hearing the charges and actually seeing them written out in legalese.

These are really the two facts that I believe the jury will focus on:

1. No one knows who started the fight.
2. No one knows who screamed.

All of the information given them in the closing arguments will have to answer these two points for them.

So, maybe we could still get a hung jury.

I'd like the case retried so that the Defense can depose the witnesses on TM's cell phone, bring out more of his character, and be done with it. Be done with the media's lying perception of an innocent child.

Subdued · #9 07-11-2013, 10:41 AM

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These are really the two facts that I believe the jury will focus on:

1. No one knows who started the fight.
2. No one knows who screamed.

All of the information given them in the closing arguments will have to answer these two points for them.

So, maybe we could still get a hung jury.

I'd like the case retried so that the Defense can depose the witnesses on TM's cell phone, bring out more of his character, and be done with it. Be done with the media's lying perception of an innocent child.

I don't see either of those two questions as being much of an issue; meaning, that I don't think they will focus on those things for very long. In fact, it seems fairly clear that TM started the fight. And somewhat clear that GZ was the one screaming. No, there's no direct evidence or proof; but common sense should -hopefully- prevail.

Pressing-On · #10 07-11-2013, 10:43 AM

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I don't see either of those two questions as being much of an issue; meaning, that I don't think they will focus on those things for very long. In fact, it seems fairly clear that TM started the fight. And somewhat clear that GZ was the one screaming. No, there's no direct evidence or proof; but common sense should -hopefully- prevail.

The two questions are not clear to a jury in sequestration.