Zimmerman not guilty!!!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by CC1

I think the correct verdict was reached. Prosecuting this case was a matter of appeasing the race card / civil rights folks.

I have no doubt that Zimmerman is a jerk and was obnoxiously over zealous in his running of the neighborhood watch. However not for one second have I ever believed he set out to shoot someone. I believe he confronted someone he thought was an intruder and a fight then ocurred during which he fired his gun in self defense.

I think it was inexcusable that the DA and media spend months portraying the murder victim as a 12 year old kid instead of the 17 year old young man he was. A young man involved with drugs, pics of guns, bad behavior in school,etc. That does not make him guilty of anything that night but does make it clear he was not an innocent 12 year old boy killed by a mean ole man. The totality of the information about the victim indicates he very well could have acted aggresively towards Zimmerman once Zimmerman confronted him and asked what he was doing there.

CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.

GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by Barb

CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.

GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Barb

CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.

GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

Barb, did you watch the trial or read any police reports? Because it was proven in court, by witness testimony, police reports and forensic evidence that GZ was defending his life. Self defense is justified in this case. Also, GZ did NOT watch TM die... I'm not sure where that came from. And he did show remorse. So,...???

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Subdued

Barb, did you watch the trial or read any police reports? Because it was proven in court, by witness testimony, police reports and forensic evidence that GZ was defending his life. Self defense is justified in this case. Also, GZ did NOT watch TM die... I'm not sure where that came from. And he did show remorse. So,...???

[Lafon]

I have resisted the urge to give my opinion in this case, but to the following I cannot restrain myself from commenting.

Originally Posted by Barb

GZ had a gun.

Which was his LEGAL right to possess, so no crime committed.

He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

Surely you can't be serious!

While lying with his back on the wet ground (it was raining, remember?), being restrained there by a much taller physically superior young man (not a 12 yr old child, as the MSM, his parents & biased supporters would have one believe), all the while being bashed in the face & having his head banged into the hard concrete, AND..... you expect GZ to have the presence of mind to retrieve his weapon from its holster at his waist, extend his arm above his head and fire it, not knowing where the bullet might go, or what innocent bystander or observer might be struck?

Oh! Maybe if I shoot this man in his leg or arm maybe he will cease assaulting me (let's not forget that GZ was unaware of TM's age at that moment, only that he had been rendered temporarily at a disadvantage by being knocked to the ground as a consequence of being "sucker punched")? Did you ever consider that such an act, if it had transpired after this manner, could have resulted in TM wrestling the weapon from GZ and then using it in reprisal? I would think it much more reasonable, that if one decides to use a weapon in defending himself under such circumstances (& that is exactly what GZ did), to make sure that it is used in the most effective manner to render the one who doing the assaulting immobile, or at a minimum to gain relief.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

We each display our emotions in varying ways. Without knowing GZ's state of mind then how might you know that he has never expressed remorse over TM's demise?

This is my opinion to which I am entitled. I shall have nothing further to say.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Lafon

I have resisted the urge to give my opinion in this case, but to the following I cannot restrain myself from commenting.



Which was his LEGAL right to possess, so no crime committed.



Surely you can't be serious!

While lying with his back on the wet ground (it was raining, remember?), being restrained there by a much taller physically superior young man (not a 12 yr old child, as the MSM, his parents & biased supporters would have one believe), all the while being bashed in the face & having his head banged into the hard concrete, AND..... you expect GZ to have the presence of mind to retrieve his weapon from its holster at his waist, extend his arm above his head and fire it, not knowing where the bullet might go, or what innocent bystander or observer might be struck?

Oh! Maybe if I shoot this man in his leg or arm maybe he will cease assaulting me (let's not forget that GZ was unaware of TM's age at that moment, only that he had been rendered temporarily at a disadvantage by being knocked to the ground as a consequence of being "sucker punched")? Did you ever consider that such an act, if it had transpired after this manner, could have resulted in TM wrestling the weapon from GZ and then using it in reprisal? I would think it much more reasonable, that if one decides to use a weapon in defending himself under such circumstances (& that is exactly what GZ did), to make sure that it is used in the most effective manner to render the one who doing the assaulting immobile, or at a minimum to gain relief.



We each display our emotions in varying ways. Without knowing GZ's state of mind then how might you know that he has never expressed remorse over TM's demise?

This is my opinion to which I am entitled. I shall have nothing further to say.

GZ did identify to Dispatch that TM was a "late teen". Although, considering the circumstances, it wouldn't have mattered how old TM was. GZ was fighting for his life, and had a right to do that, regardless of age.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Barb

CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.

GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

Any conceal gun carry course or self defense course will tell you not to fire a gun unless you aim to kill. If you are in a struggle and feel your life is in danger you do not shoot an arm or a leg. Particularly with a 9mm. It most likely would not stop the person shot. To suggest that a person in a struggle with another should just shoot an arm or leg is ludicrous because even if you wanted to that is most likely impossible. Do you say "excuse me, could you please let go and back off for a moment so I can aim for your arm or leg as not to hurt you badly?" People like you have all of these alternative scenarios of what Z should have done that just don't stand when you think about it.

It does matter if Trayvon was a thug because it goes to state of mind and makes it much more likely he did get aggressive with that "cracker" Zimmerman as Zimmerman claims and the evidence shows (broken nose, cuts on back of head).

[Barb]

Originally Posted by CC1

Any conceal gun carry course or self defense course will tell you not to fire a gun unless you aim to kill. If you are in a struggle and feel your life is in danger you do not shoot an arm or a leg. Particularly with a 9mm. It most likely would not stop the person shot. To suggest that a person in a struggle with another should just shoot an arm or leg is ludicrous because even if you wanted to that is most likely impossible. Do you say "excuse me, could you please let go and back off for a moment so I can aim for your arm or leg as not to hurt you badly?" People like you have all of these alternative scenarios of what Z should have done that just don't stand when you think about it.

It does matter if Trayvon was a thug because it goes to state of mind and makes it much more likely he did get aggressive with that "cracker" Zimmerman as Zimmerman claims and the evidence shows (broken nose, cuts on back of head).

As a 61 year old woman who has never fired a gun, I was speaking from my heart and not my head.

I just suppose "people like me" are searching for a better way of handling things.

You all have my sincere apologies for my interruptions...

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Barb

As a 61 year old woman who has never fired a gun, I was speaking from my heart and not my head.

I just suppose "people like me" are searching for a better way of handling things.

You all have my sincere apologies for my interruptions...

Barb, you have absolutely nothing to apologize for! It is a discussion and you spoke your heart very well.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Barb

As a 61 year old woman who has never fired a gun, I was speaking from my heart and not my head.

I just suppose "people like me" are searching for a better way of handling things.

You all have my sincere apologies for my interruptions...

There's absolutely nothing wrong with wishing things would have gone differently; however, what you stated was that GZ "got away with murder." That is what I take issue with. I, too, wish that TM would not have died that night, but the facts in this case have proven that GZ did not "get away with murder." He defended his life and possibly prevented his own death at the hands of TM [who, by the way, got quite a kick out of beating people up].