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Old 08-05-2013, 06:39 PM
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Re: Why The Wrath Of God Must Be Preached

If one does not truly believe in Christ as the scriptures has said,then that one will perish,and that's a fact. There is a vast difference in saying one is a soul,and in saying one has a soul.
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Old 08-05-2013, 06:45 PM
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If one does not truly believe in Christ as the scriptures has said,then that one will perish,and that's a fact. There is a vast difference in saying one is a soul,and in saying one has a soul.
People don't get it. They don't understand that AMIMALS have souls too.

10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12:10

The word LIFE is SOUL in the Hebrew.

Are their souls immortal also?

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People don't get it. They don't understand that AMIMALS have souls too.

10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12:10

The word LIFE is SOUL in the Hebrew.

Are their souls immortal also?
So, what you are saying is...

that...

...ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:01 PM
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People don't get it. They don't understand that AMIMALS have souls too.

10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12:10

The word LIFE is SOUL in the Hebrew.

Are their souls immortal also?
We got into a playful conversation on this question at church once. My answer was, Jesus returns on a white horse... my Bible only describes animals being created on earth. So by implication this horse had to have originated on earth. So, I'd say, yes. lol

Of course, theologically speaking, it's anyone's guess. It's definitely a lighter discussion than most. The following two books address it to some degree...

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Randy-A...n+randy+alcorn

http://www.amazon.com/Will-I-See-Fid...Fido+in+heaven
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We got into a playful conversation on this question at church once. My answer was, Jesus returns on a white horse... my Bible only describes animals being created on earth. So by implication this horse had to have originated on earth. So, I'd say, yes. lol

Of course, theologically speaking, it's anyone's guess. It's definitely a lighter discussion than most. The following two books address it to some degree...

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Randy-A...n+randy+alcorn

http://www.amazon.com/Will-I-See-Fid...Fido+in+heaven
Interesting books! I may have to get the 2nd one for my wife for her upcoming birthday.

These books certainly seem to show a more positive view of heaven than I ever heard in the UPC -which is that heaven was going to be an eternal song service/alter call!

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Interesting books! I may have to get the 2nd one for my wife for her upcoming birthday.

These books certainly seem to show a more positive view of heaven than I ever heard in the UPC -which is that heaven was going to be an eternal song service/alter call!
I really enjoyed the, Will I See Fido, book. It was very light but actually got deeper than you might expect in some places. Great book really.

Randy Alcorn's book is the result of like over 20 years of research involving Heaven and the afterlife. It's was the best book on Heaven I've read so far. I also have another book on Heaven that is pretty good, but no where near as comprehensive as Alcorn's:

http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Heave...he+True+Heaven

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I really enjoyed the, Will I See Fido, book. It was very light but actually got deeper than you might expect in some places. Great book really.

Randy Alcorn's book is the result of like over 20 years of research involving Heaven and the afterlife. It's was the best book on Heaven I've read so far. I also have another book on Heaven that is pretty good, but no where near as comprehensive as Alcorn's:

http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Heave...he+True+Heaven
I see far more about what happens in the kingdom that will be established on Earth than I do about what happens in Heaven. All I see in Heaven is worship. But that's fine with me. That's all I want. That's all I need.
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I see far more about what happens in the kingdom that will be established on Earth than I do about what happens in Heaven. All I see in Heaven is worship. But that's fine with me. That's all I want. That's all I need.
Right. For the first 1000 years, we will be right here on planet Earth, as kings and priests, with plenty of work to do.
After that, on the New Earth, we just have to wait and see.
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I see far more about what happens in the kingdom that will be established on Earth than I do about what happens in Heaven. All I see in Heaven is worship. But that's fine with me. That's all I want. That's all I need.


That was one of Randy Alcorn's main points. What he calls the "intermediate Heaven" is a spiritual reality. Our "eternal Heaven" (as he calls it) is an eternity in the New Heavens and the New Earth. The primary focus of the book is the New Creation and our resurrected and glorified state.
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