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09-07-2013, 02:05 AM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
The thing that strikes me as strange (this is not an indictment of the original poster) is that the pastor thought enough of you to support your move to Mexico, but when you return, he is cold? There's no doubt things you're not sharing, and aren't required to, but do you think there's something you're not considering when thinking through this matter? Was there something between you that might have caused offense?
Either way, the whole situation seems toxic...I'm not sure the answer to my questions above would change my desire to leave.
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09-07-2013, 06:09 AM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus
The thing that strikes me as strange (this is not an indictment of the original poster) is that the pastor thought enough of you to support your move to Mexico, but when you return, he is cold? There's no doubt things you're not sharing, and aren't required to, but do you think there's something you're not considering when thinking through this matter? Was there something between you that might have caused offense?
Either way, the whole situation seems toxic...I'm not sure the answer to my questions above would change my desire to leave.
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We actually had not yet "moved" to Mexico. It was well understood we'd only be there for the Summer and would be returning. Our actual "move" is to come later as we seek which avenue now to take since the UPC no longer sends missionaries there. He well understood this. There was absolutely no misunderstanding on this issue. There is absolutely nothing that I'm withholding here. I have wracked my brain trying to think of what could have caused offense. If there is, should he not care enough to confront me privately? From his message Wednesday night, he clearly holds to the belief that financial struggles stem from a lack of giving, period. He left no room for any consideration that faithful tithe payers also experience financial troubles.
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09-07-2013, 10:29 AM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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We actually had not yet "moved" to Mexico. It was well understood we'd only be there for the Summer and would be returning. Our actual "move" is to come later as we seek which avenue now to take since the UPC no longer sends missionaries there. He well understood this. There was absolutely no misunderstanding on this issue. There is absolutely nothing that I'm withholding here. I have wracked my brain trying to think of what could have caused offense. If there is, should he not care enough to confront me privately? From his message Wednesday night, he clearly holds to the belief that financial struggles stem from a lack of giving, period. He left no room for any consideration that faithful tithe payers also experience financial troubles.
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Do they have MLM in Mexico?
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09-07-2013, 12:36 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Do they have MLM in Mexico?
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Yes. Mexico is a tough place for MLM's though because it a very "backstabbing" culture. I hate to say it, but it is true. Trying to steal someone's downline is common in the MLM's down there. Though it did happen to me here, backstabbing in general permeates Mexican culture. On the one hand, they act all unified on things like immigration. But within their own community they cut each others throats without blinking.
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09-07-2013, 02:16 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Yes. Mexico is a tough place for MLM's though because it a very "backstabbing" culture. I hate to say it, but it is true. Trying to steal someone's downline is common in the MLM's down there. Though it did happen to me here, backstabbing in general permeates Mexican culture. On the one hand, they act all unified on things like immigration. But within their own community they cut each others throats without blinking.
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09-07-2013, 02:19 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
Shout out to my Mexican Apostolic brethren! 
At least you know I love you. 
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09-07-2013, 02:39 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Yes. Mexico is a tough place for MLM's though because it a very "backstabbing" culture. I hate to say it, but it is true. Trying to steal someone's downline is common in the MLM's down there. Though it did happen to me here, backstabbing in general permeates Mexican culture. On the one hand, they act all unified on things like immigration. But within their own community they cut each others throats without blinking.
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09-07-2013, 02:15 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Originally Posted by Originalist
We actually had not yet "moved" to Mexico. It was well understood we'd only be there for the Summer and would be returning. Our actual "move" is to come later as we seek which avenue now to take since the UPC no longer sends missionaries there. He well understood this. There was absolutely no misunderstanding on this issue. There is absolutely nothing that I'm withholding here. I have wracked my brain trying to think of what could have caused offense. If there is, should he not care enough to confront me privately? From his message Wednesday night, he clearly holds to the belief that financial struggles stem from a lack of giving, period. He left no room for any consideration that faithful tithe payers also experience financial troubles.
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I just had a thought. Maybe it's HIS financial struggles he is referring to and that's due to YOUR lack of giving 
Give him more. Give him MORE!
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09-07-2013, 03:53 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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I just had a thought. Maybe it's HIS financial struggles he is referring to and that's due to YOUR lack of giving
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Gosh, Prax, that's what I read into this right from the beginning. Not from Originalist. From what I read from what his pastor was preaching. I have heard it said and found it to be true - a whole lot of time whatever the pastor is preaching, he is preaching MOSTLY to himself.
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09-07-2013, 04:00 PM
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Re: I'm leaving my church. Please pray.
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Gosh, Prax, that's what I read into this right from the beginning. Not from Originalist. From what I read from what his pastor was preaching. I have heard it said and found it to be true - a whole lot of time whatever the pastor is preaching, he is preaching MOSTLY to himself.
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That's exactly what I've been thinking. Classic case of projection.
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