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[Praxeas]

Why should we call bible things by bible words?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why should we call bible things by bible words?

Because words mean something.

God's thoughts are expressed by his words.

His words are perfect.

Historically, when Christians began using unscriptural terminology, the result was trinitarianism, Arianism, and a whole host of other isms. Servetus pointed out the bible knows no such things as the 'theological terminology of the Scholastics and Doctors of divinity' who were the constant unending source of heresies and schisms.

Shall we call 'justification' by a different, unbiblical term? A term that taken at face value is opposite to the biblical meaning of justification? Shall we take a term that means one thing, and apply it to justification (which the term does not mean), and say 'well, who cares?'

Does it matter what is said in baptism?

Do words mean anything anymore?

Or is it all lost in a slough of relativism?

Why should we call sin SIN? Should we be happy and content to speak about 'homosexuals' or 'gays' instead of sodomites? Shall we call it 'shacking up' or 'living together' and refuse to call it fornication?

We should call Bible things by Bible names, meaning, we should hold fast the FORM OF SOUND WORDS delivered to us by the apostles and prophets.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Because words mean something.

God's thoughts are expressed by his words.

His words are perfect.

Historically, when Christians began using unscriptural terminology, the result was trinitarianism, Arianism, and a whole host of other isms. Servetus pointed out the bible knows no such things as the 'theological terminology of the Scholastics and Doctors of divinity' who were the constant unending source of heresies and schisms.

Shall we call 'justification' by a different, unbiblical term? A term that taken at face value is opposite to the biblical meaning of justification? Shall we take a term that means one thing, and apply it to justification (which the term does not mean), and say 'well, who cares?'

Does it matter what is said in baptism?

Do words mean anything anymore?

Or is it all lost in a slough of relativism?

Why should we call sin SIN? Should we be happy and content to speak about 'homosexuals' or 'gays' instead of sodomites? Shall we call it 'shacking up' or 'living together' and refuse to call it fornication?

We should call Bible things by Bible names, meaning, we should hold fast the FORM OF SOUND WORDS delivered to us by the apostles and prophets.

Words mean something does not mean we have to ONLY use the words the bible uses.

Is God upset if I call a Homosexual "gay" or "a sodomite" or "Homosexual"?

Why can't I call fornication "Shacking up" or "unlawful sexual intercourse"? Does the bible say it's a sin to not use words specifically in the bible or for that matter just one particular translation of the bible?

Your last statement is a repeat of your assertion but I see no biblical evidence we have to only use words found in the bible and in particular one specific Translation.

The bible never speaks of "sound words", it speaks of "sound doctrine"

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The bible never speaks of "sound words", it speaks of "sound doctrine"

Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim 1:13

If you felt it important to 'hold fast the form of sound words', you would have known that was in the Bible, Prax.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim 1:13

If you felt it important to 'hold fast the form of sound words', you would have known that was in the Bible, Prax.

That's a far far cry from "Use only the words you see me write. Never use a different word"

2Ti 1:13 Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.

BTW the Greek word is Logos. It does not refer to the written word but in this case, as with others, is referring to what Paul taught

2Ti 2:2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit the same to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

2Ti 2:14 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

2Ti 2:23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
2Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

If you continue to read the theme isn't that there are certain words we are allowed to use or not allowed to use but certain DOCTRINES we must hold to or not hold to

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Because words mean something.

God's thoughts are expressed by his words.

His words are perfect.

Historically, when Christians began using unscriptural terminology, the result was trinitarianism, Arianism, and a whole host of other isms. Servetus pointed out the bible knows no such things as the 'theological terminology of the Scholastics and Doctors of divinity' who were the constant unending source of heresies and schisms.

Shall we call 'justification' by a different, unbiblical term? A term that taken at face value is opposite to the biblical meaning of justification? Shall we take a term that means one thing, and apply it to justification (which the term does not mean), and say 'well, who cares?'

Does it matter what is said in baptism?

Do words mean anything anymore?

Or is it all lost in a slough of relativism?

Why should we call sin SIN? Should we be happy and content to speak about 'homosexuals' or 'gays' instead of sodomites? Shall we call it 'shacking up' or 'living together' and refuse to call it fornication?

We should call Bible things by Bible names, meaning, we should hold fast the FORM OF SOUND WORDS delivered to us by the apostles and prophets.

BTW the bible specifically tells us HOW to baptize (doctrine)

It doesn't tell us "the building your church meets in must be called X" or "The building your church meets in can't be called X"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW the bible specifically tells us HOW to baptize (doctrine)

It doesn't tell us "the building your church meets in must be called X" or "The building your church meets in can't be called X"

What is so hard about this?

[renee819]

I hope I haven't got this all messed up. I've been writing this over a 2 day period, in between visiting with company.

Evang. Ben asked,

Sister how long you been in and around Pentecost?

"Oneness?"

About 76 years. Enough to see and know the workings of God. To know the power of God, when He was moving in such a great degree that you could have stayed all night, wanting to just bath in His Spirit. And to see and feel the slumps when the leaders were not living right. Two Pastors had to be removed. At the last one, in UPC, God told me to leave, and then the board saw that he was not right. And on and on. I had noting to do with any of that.

And to know the difference when a worship team, or a person is working on peoples emotions to try to get 'the spirit up' which most of the time is an emotional response and not the Spirit of God, Not just my thought's, but by God's discernment.

Evang Ben wrote,

I look at it this way, if you wanted to know, you wouldn't ask on the fly, you would of made the arrangements to sit down and have a pow wow with the preacher. You would of found out more than just what organization they were involved with, but he might of dealt with your entire list

.

And that is why, I said, “You, your wife and I need to sit down and discuss what we believe.” he didn't seem interested. And it wasn't on the fly, most of the church had already left.

Evang Ben wrote,

Still, most ministers don't want to get into a hair pulling contest with people who showed up three times, and who just inform them that THEY are not into a LOT (which logically mean they're into some) of man made rules. I can't fault the brother, one, I wasn't there, two, I can be sensitive to his position, since he probably didn't know what you would of done if he went into a discussion right there in the building.

I never intended to get into a discussion there in the building, but I also know when I'm being ignored. And i'm not the hair pulling type. God really had to work on me to even speak up when I was younger. I sat for 30 years in a UPC church, observing some things that I knew was wrong, and never said a word. I am a generally very quiet person, hating to draw attention to myself.

Evang Ben wrote

You do have a right to ask questions, and the minister is there to answer your questions. But, on these forums we always read about Big Bad Church, The Big Bad Dictator Standard Pastor, but what about the individuals who come to just ask questions (not to get answers) but to just drain the guy in the suit?

Yes, I knew I had to ask questions. No more will I set under a minister as he teaches wrong doctrine or standards. I don't believe that God wants us to, and we should be able to discuss things from a Biblical standpoint and not from just traditions of the church. That is the mistake that the Jews made, when Jesus was trying to teach them the truth and spirit of the Law, instead of all of the man-made laws of the Priests.

Evang. Ben asked

Can I ask you a question?

What made you go to that church in the first place? What I'm trying to ask is how did you choose that church? How much did you know about the church before you set a foot in the door?

I noticed the sign, “Apostolic Lighthouse” my granddaughter had just moved across the street from the church. She used to be in Pentecost, but when the Pastor went into false doctrine, we all left that church. I thought if they were right, maybe I could get her started again.

I looked on the Internet to see if they had a web site, they didn't. There was no way to find out but to go. I'm not really looking as much for myself as many of my grand and great grandchildren . It grieves my spirit to see how they are living and bringing up their children.
But I do see some favorable changes in them, since their daddy, (my son got lung cancer) It has shook them up some. My son, needs his faith back. I know that I can't do it, but if I could find a church where there is more faith than trying to hang onto tradition, more faith than trying to appease the world. Where the gifts, (all of them) are in operation, not for show, but with results.

If it is a ho-down shouting meeting, with people talking in tongues, then there should be results. Someone getting healed, some getting saved. The church edified, instead of just an emotional service.

It was a little country church, with about 30 people there, in a very small town about 3-4 miles from me. Sunday, I'm going to go to a different church.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Because words mean something.

God's thoughts are expressed by his words.

His words are perfect.

Historically, when Christians began using unscriptural terminology, the result was trinitarianism, Arianism, and a whole host of other isms. Servetus pointed out the bible knows no such things as the 'theological terminology of the Scholastics and Doctors of divinity' who were the constant unending source of heresies and schisms.

Shall we call 'justification' by a different, unbiblical term? A term that taken at face value is opposite to the biblical meaning of justification? Shall we take a term that means one thing, and apply it to justification (which the term does not mean), and say 'well, who cares?'

Does it matter what is said in baptism?

Do words mean anything anymore?

Or is it all lost in a slough of relativism?

Why should we call sin SIN? Should we be happy and content to speak about 'homosexuals' or 'gays' instead of sodomites? Shall we call it 'shacking up' or 'living together' and refuse to call it fornication?

We should call Bible things by Bible names, meaning, we should hold fast the FORM OF SOUND WORDS delivered to us by the apostles and prophets.

I guess we all better learn Hebrew and Greek...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I guess we all better learn Hebrew and Greek...

Please explain how this is a logical conclusion to my premises?