Racism on the AFF???

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

DM, The Democrats and the MSM are using the same terminology they use when referencing Islamic extremists. I hope you don't think we are not ignorant as to their rhetoric. It is simply hate. But I get that as they tried to take God out of their platform at the Democratic Convention. Are you an atheist?

I don't know why you would purposely try to fan the flames of unrest that is already rising up in this country.

And I don't know why you would call Constitutional Conservatives, like myself, terrorists.

i don't see how you don't see the link, republicans have taken the federal government hostage and are threatening economic disaster if democrats don't defund policies that were passed legislatively, upheld by the supreme court and ratified by a national election. republicans are using unconventional means to effect policy that wasn't enacted through traditional constitutional procedures. republicans are causing hardship to federal workers and threatening hardship to millions of americans as the means to achieve their policy goals. that is unamerican and deserves the label of political and economic terrorism. how else can you explain the republicans means of achieving their objective?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't see how you don't see the link, republicans have taken the federal government hostage and are threatening economic disaster if democrats don't defund policies that were passed legislatively, upheld by the supreme court and ratified by a national election. republicans are using unconventional means to effect policy that wasn't enacted through traditional constitutional procedures. republicans are causing hardship to federal workers and threatening hardship to millions of americans as the means to achieve their policy goals. that is unamerican and deserves the label of political and economic terrorism. how else can you explain the republicans means of achieving their objective?

we're all "held hostage" to one party or the other when they gain a majority control...that's how we got this mess to begin with under Obama's first watch

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't see how you don't see the link, republicans have taken the federal government hostage and are threatening economic disaster if democrats don't defund policies that were passed legislatively, upheld by the supreme court and ratified by a national election. republicans are using unconventional means to effect policy that wasn't enacted through traditional constitutional procedures. republicans are causing hardship to federal workers and threatening hardship to millions of americans as the means to achieve their policy goals. that is unamerican and deserves the label of political and economic terrorism. how else can you explain the republicans means of achieving their objective?

You're unAmerican. I really wish we could send you to Cuba for a year. As one exile told me concerning your type, "It's easy to be a communist in America. Send these American communist wanna be's to Cuba for a year. Then let's see how they think."

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't see how you don't see the link, republicans have taken the federal government hostage and are threatening economic disaster if democrats don't defund policies that were passed legislatively, upheld by the supreme court and ratified by a national election. republicans are using unconventional means to effect policy that wasn't enacted through traditional constitutional procedures. republicans are causing hardship to federal workers and threatening hardship to millions of Americans as the means to achieve their policy goals. that is Un-American and deserves the label of political and economic terrorism. how else can you explain the republicans means of achieving their objective?

I understand what has happened in the medical industry. Our medicine is distinctly different and more expensive per capita than much of the rest of the industrialized world. In our healthcare system, providers are incentivized to do the wrong thing, i.e., surgeons are not paid for their outcomes, they are paid for how many surgeries they perform. Patients with poor outcomes can then become profit centers, because they will end up requiring additional care.

There are also very strong incentives to produce biased research. We all know medical research has a history of bias, i.e. the tobacco industry, the pharmaceutical companies, the medical device companies, etc.

Because of these factors, I personally do not believe the healthcare industry can reform itself. It will take some regulatory guidance simply because the medical inflation is unsustainable in this country.

I believe that the government is inherently less efficient than business, and while it might a good idea and even necessary for parameters to be set by the government, that supervision needs to be minimal and relegated to the states as much as possible. Other than setting loose rules, they ought to get out of the healthcare industry.

What I don’t like about Obamacare is that the bill was not bipartisan. This is a major overhaul of the American medical industry. Not having bipartisan support is just not acceptable. And I especially do not like the government intrusion and lack of freedom.

The Supreme Court ruling is also something to argue about – Roberts says a mandate is unconstitutional, yet, he upholds the law as a tax and not a penalty. I don’t really see the difference.

Doing research at the outset until today, all I read over and over is this – Is this law good or bad? Is the Supreme Court decision a good one or a bad one? The response - It depends on your insurance and your political affiliation.

Yes, we knew when the IRS became involved it was going to be political. This fight is not over by a long shot.

Lastly, the troubling part is that the law has been changed by both Obama and Holder. Changed since the Supreme Court ruling. That means what we are being handed is NOT the original law, which makes me side with Rand Paul’s words - "The president’s been modifying his own plan over the last several months. Should Congress not be part of that? Some of us think it’s illegal for the president to do it without our authority.” He is right.

[Jermyn Davidson]

DM,
While the majority of the Republican Party is white (male and female), throwing race into your point only obscures what (I think) you want everyone to see.

With that said, let there be no doubt in anyone's mind that if things were switched around, and it was a few democrats pulling this stunt while a Republican was President, everyone on FOX, and all the self-righteous conservatives that feed at FOX's trough would be just as upset as you are by the GOP idiots in the House that has taken our country hostage, politically speaking.

Am I the only one that remembers Hannity calling everyone who continued to publicly criticize Bush, "un-American" for doing so? If Hannity wasn't such a political hypocrite, he'd say the same things today-- but that is the evil side of politics.

Politics will take otherwise good Christian conservatives and turn them into hypocrites, politically speaking.

You have a valid point that can be made without bringing up the race of the people involved.

Unless...

You have two or more specific points you are trying to make.

May I suggest that if you do, make them plainly and in separate statements?

If you do, you will probably have at least one supporter on this thread.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

DM,
While the majority of the Republican Party is white (male and female), throwing race into your point only obscures what (I think) you want everyone to see.

With that said, let there be no doubt in anyone's mind that if things were switched around, and it was a few democrats pulling this stunt while a Republican was President, everyone on FOX, and all the self-righteous conservatives that feed at FOX's trough would be just as upset as you are by the GOP idiots in the House that has taken our country hostage, politically speaking.

Am I the only one that remembers Hannity calling everyone who continued to publicly criticize Bush, "un-American" for doing so? If Hannity wasn't such a political hypocrite, he'd say the same things today-- but that is the evil side of politics.

Politics will take otherwise good Christian conservatives and turn them into hypocrites, politically speaking.

You have a valid point that can be made without bringing up the race of the people involved.

Unless...

You have two or more specific points you are trying to make.

May I suggest that if you do, make them plainly and in separate statements?

If you do, you will probably have at least one supporter on this thread.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I am not speaking in a derogative manner about differences in race. I am identifying who is actually perpetuating political terrorism in america. everyone knows that southern christian whites make up 90 percent of the republican party. everyone one knows who is perpetuating political terrorism in america. there is nothing racist about stating the truth. you just can't handle the truth because it messes with your little paradigm.

It's offensive to equate terrorism with what the Republicans are doing. You would be just as upset if the Republicans accused obummer of terrorism. If you're not speaking in a derogatory manner against whites, then why even use the word "white." If you really don't mean to talk about differences in race, you shouldn't be using the word. Otherwise, it does become derogatory, bigoted, and racist.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

stop avoiding the issue PO. the question is, do you support political and economic terrorism to achieve policy goals?

It is NOT terrorism. Stop using the word. You're just as bad as that idiot Democrat Congressman Miller from CA who claimed the Republicans were "waging Jihad" against the American people. Shameful. Despicable.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Am I the only one that remembers Hannity calling everyone who continued to publicly criticize Bush, "un-American" for doing so? If Hannity wasn't such a political hypocrite, he'd say the same things today-- but that is the evil side of politics.

I stopped listening to talk radio in 2005. I don't listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levine, or any other talking heads. The problem is it's all political. They, like Congressmen, will praise their party for doing one thing when in power, then when the party is out of power, they'll complain about the Dems doing the very same thing. Of course, it's not just limited to conservatives or Republicans. Right now, the biggest talking head hypocrite is Chris Matthews. He was Tip Oneil's Chief of Staff during the Reagan years....when Oneil and the Dems shut down government SEVEN times! This hypocrite calls Sen. Cruz a terrorist for shutting down the govt, yet served under Oneil, who did it a total of TWELVE times!

So the talking heads of both parties are hypocrites and just political propagandists for their respective parties. All the right wing hosts care about is defeating the left; and all the left wing wants is for the right to lose.