Unitarians who worship Jesus as God

Originalist · #1 10-13-2013, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

I just worship the God Jesus worships.

You don't understand how the God of Jesus wants to be worshiped.

seekerman · #2 10-13-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

You don't understand how the God of Jesus wants to be worshiped.

Following Jesus' example is the best way.

Originalist · #3 10-13-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Following Jesus' example is the best way.

Following the directives of his Father would be best.

seekerman · #4 10-13-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Following the directives of his Father would be best.

He only says what His Father says. He and His Father are one.

Originalist · #5 10-13-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

He only says what His Father says. He and His Father are one.

So when his Father said "Thou art my son, this day I have begotten thee", did Jesus repeat those words?

Get real, Seekerman. why not do something novel, like actually reading this sermonette I posted and see where this guy is coming from? Then ,point by point, tell us where you agree or disagree.

seekerman · #6 10-13-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

So when his Father said "Thou art my son, this day I have begotten thee", did Jesus repeat those words?

He spoke the words His Father directed Him to speak.....

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

I'm not sure if His Father told Him to speak those words or not, there's no record of Him speaking them.

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Get real, Seekerman. why not do something novel, like actually reading this sermonette I posted and see where this guy is coming from? Then ,point by point, tell us where you agree or disagree.

I'll certainly respond to your personal posts, but as I've said many times on the forum, I'm not going to respond to someone else's thoughts and beliefs. If you wish to post whatever you consider important in the sermon, point by point, I'll respond to them.

votivesoul · #7 10-16-2013, 12:55 AM

It doesn't seem to me that this preacher worships Jesus as God. He never calls Jesus God (though he did say God added to His divine nature). He didn't say God became human, either. Rather, he stated that God indwelt the man Jesus Christ, and that this man now sits at the right hand of the Father.

What makes him a Unitarian is that he believes God is uni-personal, but not in the way most Oneness believers do. He may or may not be a Universalist.

Unitarians do not believe that Jesus Christ is God the Father, or is divine in any other way.

They believe that God is one, but that He did not trans-substantiate His nature in order to become human (i.e. divine eternal Spirit into human temporal flesh).

That is, what was, is, and will be about God never changes. God was in Christ, but God was not Christ. Basically, the man Christ Jesus is only that, a man (sinless, yes, and born of a virgin without a human father, as well), and God the Father is only that, God, completely distinct from one another.

Originalist · #8 10-16-2013, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

It doesn't seem to me that this preacher worships Jesus as God. He never calls Jesus God (though he did say God added to His divine nature). He didn't say God became human, either. Rather, he stated that God indwelt the man Jesus Christ, and that this man now sits at the right hand of the Father.

What makes him a Unitarian is that he believes God is uni-personal, but not in the way most Oneness believers do. He may or may not be a Universalist.

Unitarians do not believe that Jesus Christ is God the Father, or is divine in any other way.

They believe that God is one, but that He did not trans-substantiate His nature in order to become human (i.e. divine eternal Spirit into human temporal flesh).

That is, what was, is, and will be about God never changes. God was in Christ, but God was not Christ. Basically, the man Christ Jesus is only that, a man (sinless, yes, and born of a virgin without a human father, as well), and God the Father is only that, God, completely distinct from one another.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Rather than believing that God became a man, this brother taught that God added the Son to his own divine being. Thus when we worship the Son, we worship the Father automatically.

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The image of the Father dwells in Him, for in Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. God has highly exalted Him, made Him head over all things, and given Him a Name that is above every name. At the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow, as Jehovah swore by Himself, “That unto ME every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall swear”.

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We look for the return of the great God, even Jehovah, and our Savior, Jesus Christ, even a man born of a virgin and God. Then, as it is written, “One shall say unto Him, What are these wounds in thy hands? Then He shall answer, I was wounded in the house of my friends.”

Praxeas · #9 10-16-2013, 12:40 PM

Can we have a link to the source please? Name?

Originalist · #10 10-16-2013, 12:58 PM

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Can we have a link to the source please? Name?

Truthfully, that is not possible. The message above is from the notes of a manuscript of a book that was never printed. The author died more than 12 years ago. I never actually met him. A mutual friend gave me a copy of the rough draft of the manuscript.

I would describe this brother as a Oneness/Unitarian hybrid. He did not believe that "God became a man", but that God fully incarnated himself in someone else, namely his human Son, and that the only God one will ever encounter is in the person of Jesus Christ.